Isolate Light to find Live Plug

[gazell72]

I

Went to isolate light & found this.
This has been rectified.
What further action would you take?

 

[sparksburnout]

I don't really get this post. It is quite long winded now and I admit I have not studied it in anything other than a quick read through, however are we not forgetting some basic principals here? Lighting circuits, are responsible for killing more "electricians" than any other, apparently. Not sure where I read that but I can well believe it. I have witnessed in my time some unbelievably stupid setups done by previous "sparks" and DIY folks alike. Personally, if someone put a down-lighter in front of me now on my sofa I would look at it and think "i'll test that before I grab hold of it". I realise some plonka has probably done something really stupid that is worth reporting, but at the end of the day don't grab hold if it until you know its safe. I am always VERY wary of anything to do with lighting or lighting circuits, just a tip.

 

[Barry White]

I would liken this to pulling out a 13A plug from an outlet then touching the pins to find them live.
The klix sockets are great for isolating lights for servicing or tube changing. This fault would havew caught me out!!!!!!!!

 

[westward10]

I think few people, if any pull a plug and think "ooh I wonder if the pins are live".

 

[Barry White]

I

Went to isolate light & found this.
This has been rectified.
What further action would you take?

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To the OP what actually made you test this? were the lights still lit?

Cheers Mykey

 

[gazell72]

To the OP what actually made you test this? were the lights still lit?

Cheers Mykey

When I'd pulled the plug to isolate, the light was still on. (It can be seen in the photo)
The feed came into a jb, to a pir, to jb, back to the light, then flex to light plug.
The plug was live & used to back feed the socket, to feed the other lights!

 

[snowhead]

Lighting circuits, are responsible for killing more "electricians" than any other, apparently. Not sure where I read that but I can well believe it.

If that is the case, it will be the Fall to the ground that caused the death.
And probably caused by completing a broken neutral path as well.

It's not far to fall if you're working on a socket or control panel.

 

[Barry White]

When I'd pulled the plug to isolate, the light was still on. (It can be seen in the photo)
The feed came into a jb, to a pir, to jb, back to the light, then flex to light plug.
The plug was live & used to back feed the socket, to feed the other lights!

Good job the tubes had not gone then. I have been working on lights for the last few days all on clix and obviously up at height each light is on its own clix but I have seen them daisy chained in the past.

 

[hasel5]

Makes sense now

 

[dmxtothemax]

Is it for real voltage ?
Or a phantom or induced voltage ?
High input impedance testers can give eronious readings.
I would test it with a low impedance volt meter (analogue)
To be sure it really is live ?