New circuit to the shed.

[AndyC.]

Hi all,
It is my first post. I'm sorry if I do something stupid

I need some help with running new circuit to the shed on the back garden.
Basically I have been asked to fit a double socket and light in the shed.
The only one way to run power from main building to shed is to take a power from the kitchen ring.
I was thinking to fit IP44 outside socket drill through the wall and connect it to the kitchen ring. From outside socket I would run SWA 4 sq. mm armoured cable (approx. 6 meters.)
My question is, as there is an old CU and landlord does not want to replace it with current standard, what would be the best way to confirm with reg. I thought to fit RCBBO in the CU for the kitchen ring.
Does it sound right?

Another question I have, is there any alternative way to run the cable from building to the shed? for example T&E in trunking clipped on fence?

If you need more info, please just let me know.

 

[Spoon]

Short of wiping my tenants arse there is not much else that I haven't done for her, it's like having a second bloody wife nagging me, am I doing something wrong? Perhaps I should toughen up?

Next time you go round just wear a mankini. She probably won't ring you again....

 

[DPG]

Lets have less of the landlord bashing please. It's no different to you saying that most sparks are bad ones by basing your information on many of the daft posts that appear on here from so called electricians.

Have a look at the mess some tennants leave behind. Also look at the way things are biassed towards the tennant - even if they have damaged your property or not paid any rent it is a nightmare to do anything about it - the landlord must follow proper procedures and wait it out.

I rent 2 houses out and both have annual gas checks and regular electrical checks (obviously!). Both are well maintained and in good order.

Daz

 

[sparksburnout]

Lets have less of the landlord bashing please. It's no different to you saying that most sparks are bad ones by basing your information on many of the daft posts that appear on here from so called electricians.

Have a look at the mess some tennants leave behind. Also look at the way things are biassed towards the tennant - even if they have damaged your property or not paid any rent it is a nightmare to do anything about it - the landlord must follow proper procedures and wait it out.

I rent 2 houses out and both have annual gas checks and regular electrical checks (obviously!). Both are well maintained and in good order.

Daz

I'm sure you are a fair Landlord Daz, going by your sensible posts and attitude on here. Actually, I am one myself (commercial property). All I am saying is, in my experience, most of the ones I encounter are not. It doesn't seem to matter what walk of life they are from, they just don't seem to care and will not spend even a trifling amount of money to increase the safety or comfort of others. Some are bordering on criminal, maybe I have just been unlucky.

 

[Midwest]

There were a couple of other anecdotes I had written in my post, but I messed up my quoting technique again (or was it the system!). Enough said perhaps.

 

[rolyberkin]

Next time you go round just wear a mankini. She probably won't ring you again....

Got one of those in a drawer somewhere, will give it a try!

 

[Spoon]

Got one of those in a drawer somewhere, will give it a try!

We do NOT require visual proof....

 

[FatAlan]

Speaking as someone who is currently doing a short intensive course. There are very clear issues with the companies running and marketing the courses in respect of very suptle misrepresentations that once qualified you can walk out there an start work.

The whole sector is very confusing and there are a lot of guys signing up, and shelling out big bucks, turning up and being extremely disappointed when the truth finally dawns on them.

I'm lucky in that I'm not relying on a fast route to get out there and start earning and I'm acutely aware that getting supervised hands on experience is key.

The courses that I have done so far have shown me is that, like most subjects, the more you learn the more you realise how little you know.

Clear as day when you look at the posts on here!

 

[westward10]

Tis a wise person who knows the limits of their own ignorance.

 

[DPG]

Tis a wise person who knows the limits of their own ignorance.

You've hit the nail on the head there.
Daz.

 

[Midwest]

When I did my apprenticeship, I seem to recall finishing college training after 3 years. Then spending the last two years being taken advantage of by my employer, using me as a qualified sparks on jobs.

Seems as if the short course training does the same thing effectively, albeit my last 2 years allowed me to 'mingle' with the actual qualified sparks.

I seem to get weekly calls from guys paying for their training, trying to get work and exposure with experienced electricians (they realised their mistake in ringing me!). Seems there's little or no apprenticeships out there at the mo.

Its with irony therefore, that I read in the PE&I December issue, a piece on 'how to attract new talent into the electrical sector' and a concern of a 'potential of a huge skills shortage' when we leave the EU. Think the answers obvious, but someone other than the 'apprentice', has got to pay for it.

 

[FatAlan]

I think there is a massive shortage of experienced operatives in a lot of professions out there at the moment. Even those with experience are chasing their arses due to legislation and bureaucracy changing every 30 seconds.

 

[Pete999]

In my opinion, from what have seen, the Government are only interested in Apprenticeships for the higher end jobs, don't get me wrong please I'm the last person to assume or say that the trade of an Electrician is NOT at the higher end, far from it.

Craft Apprenticeships seem to me to be far from the thoughts of the Whitehall Mandarins whose job it is to make sure the skill shortage is narrowed.

During my working life it was not a surprise to me that many of these people treated the likes of Sparkies, Chippies in fact most all of the construction industry, especially the Domestic area as a bit of a joke, you know the sort of thing, you only have to listen to some of them, "oh I need to get a man around to come and fix my whatever" with no thought whatsoever of the training, not just Electricians, but the other trades as well have to go through.

Until these Cretins realize that a 5 week course does not produce a decent Trades person, there are of course exceptions. Far too many times have we seen, heard about unskilled people practicing a trade that took skilled people years to learn.

I'm not having a dig at anyone, unfortunately that's how it is done these days, and good luck to you, my gripe is with National Government for not seeing further than the nose on their faces, thinking "oh well we have set up all these training centers that will be good enough" well I have news for you guys, it isn't good enough. Bring back Apprenticeships in the engineering field for School leavers, just liuke it used to be, yes yes, I know get back in your cave Pete, but it worked didn't it.Rant over

 

[westward10]

You've hit the nail on the head there.
Daz.

Hammer n nails that is my limit.

 

[sparksburnout]

In my opinion, from what have seen, the Government are only interested in Apprenticeships for the higher end jobs, don't get me wrong please I'm the last person to assume or say that the trade of an Electrician is NOT at the higher end, far from it.

Craft Apprenticeships seem to me to be far from the thoughts of the Whitehall Mandarins whose job it is to make sure the skill shortage is narrowed.

During my working life it was not a surprise to me that many of these people treated the likes of Sparkies, Chippies in fact most all of the construction industry, especially the Domestic area as a bit of a joke, you know the sort of thing, you only have to listen to some of them, "oh I need to get a man around to come and fix my whatever" with no thought whatsoever of the training, not just Electricians, but the other trades as well have to go through.

Until these Cretins realize that a 5 week course does not produce a decent Trades person, there are of course exceptions. Far too many times have we seen, heard about unskilled people practicing a trade that took skilled people years to learn.

I'm not having a dig at anyone, unfortunately that's how it is done these days, and good luck to you, my gripe is with National Government for not seeing further than the nose on their faces, thinking "oh well we have set up all these training centers that will be good enough" well I have news for you guys, it isn't good enough. Bring back Apprenticeships in the engineering field for School leavers, just liuke it used to be, yes yes, I know get back in your cave Pete, but it worked didn't it.Rant over

No need to get back in the cave Pete, it is true. The same successive governments have run the country down over years, selling off our assets and utilities, looking only for short term gain with no planning or thought for the future, and flooding the place with cheap labour. Now we are in a mess that will only get worse.

 

[Barry White]

During my working life it was not a surprise to me that many of these people treated the likes of Sparkies, Chippies in fact most all of the construction industry, especially the Domestic area as a bit of a joke, you know the sort of thing, you only have to listen to some of them, "oh I need to get a man around to come and fix my whatever" with no thought whatsoever of the training, not just Electricians, but the other trades as well have to go through.

Agree Pete But its not just the "trades" nurses and doctors are getting less too because its "cheaper " to import them.
Its unsure What will happen in the future Maybe BREXIT will help with this but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[sparksburnout]

QUOTE="mykey, post: 1237577, member: 80962"]Agree Pete But its not just the "trades" nurses and doctors are getting less too because its "cheaper " to import them.
Its unsure What will happen in the future Maybe BREXIT will help with this but I wouldn't hold my breath.[/QUOTE]
Very true Mykey. I sometimes wonder if it's not all been a big plot, surely no Government is useless enough not to train enough doctors and nurses for our future requirements? It's like setting off to a job and leaving all your gear at home. I reckon they just think they can import them and save a few quid to pay out to shareholders.

 

[FatAlan]

I've been doing my current job as a Detective for nearly 30 years. At the moment there is a massive shortage of detectives which is being made worse by the unrealistic workloads that are being placed on officers at the moment. They cannot recruit for love for money at the moment.
Starting salaries for new officers have been reduced and at the same time potential new recruits now have to pay for a diploma in policing studies and more recently get a degree before applying! The youngsters that are joining now are finding that there are no experienced officers out there to teach them, and few of those that do teach have been there and done it (sound familiar?). At the moment people are leaving faster than they can recruit. Still, we'll have a few more years of austerity and eventually that big old wheel will turn full circle when those who know how are all gone. I also heard that the Royal Navy are up the creek without a paddle cos there are no experienced engineers to operate the new carriers.

 

[Pete999]

Agree Pete But its not just the "trades" nurses and doctors are getting less too because its "cheaper " to import them.
Its unsure What will happen in the future Maybe BREXIT will help with this but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I realise mykey my post only mentioned the allied trades, but by no means did I mean to leave out the other hands on types.

 

[Pete999]

Fat cats take note, we aren't going to lie down and become another decimal point in your annual returns.

 

[sparksburnout]

I've been doing my current job as a Detective for nearly 30 years. At the moment there is a massive shortage of detectives which is being made worse by the unrealistic workloads that are being placed on officers at the moment. They cannot recruit for love for money at the moment.
Starting salaries for new officers have been reduced and at the same time potential new recruits now have to pay for a diploma in policing studies and more recently get a degree before applying! The youngsters that are joining now are finding that there are no experienced officers out there to teach them, and few of those that do teach have been there and done it (sound familiar?). At the moment people are leaving faster than they can recruit. Still, we'll have a few more years of austerity and eventually that big old wheel will turn full circle when those who know how are all gone. I also heard that the Royal Navy are up the creek without a paddle cos there are no experienced engineers to operate the new carriers.

So typically true. My mates lad wanted to be a copper all his school years. Big, strapping lad he is, and clever as well. Even joined the cadets I believe. When it came to it, he had to jump through hoops to do all sorts of crazy tests, interview after interview, and so on. In the end he got turned down, but the powers that be apparently gave a job to an Asian lass to "reflect the operational diversity" of the force. Five foot one she is bless her, she couldn't tackle a Sunday lunch never mind a villain.........And what the Hell is all this carp about needing a degree to join up? What a load of rubbish the world has definitely, without any doubt, gone mad. I tell you, we are doomed.....

 

[Octopus]

Not many people can gain experience under someone's wing. Just look at the number of people asking for experience.

Its a very tough chicken and egg situation because for a lot of us its our reputation at stake - and would you help somebody on your patch who wants to be your competitor?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

BREXIT,nurses,doctors,immigrants,coppers,detectives,chickens, eggs and fat cats......essential to bring all of these into the process of deciding how best to install a new circuit to a shed!
Off topic or what...!

 

[westward10]

What shed

 

[sparksburnout]

BREXIT,nurses,doctors,immigrants,coppers,detectives,chickens, eggs and fat cats......essential to bring all of these into the process of deciding how best to install a new circuit to a shed!
Off topic or what...!

Just goes to show how complicated a shed installation can be.

 

[Barry White]

Bet the men in their sheds could do a better job than those in parliament.

 

[Pete999]

What shed

The Garshed

 

[FatAlan]

So typically true. My mates lad wanted to be a copper all his school years. Big, strapping lad he is, and clever as well. Even joined the cadets I believe. When it came to it, he had to jump through hoops to do all sorts of crazy tests, interview after interview, and so on. In the end he got turned down, but the powers that be apparently gave a job to an Asian lass to "reflect the operational diversity" of the force. Five foot one she is bless her, she couldn't tackle a Sunday lunch never mind a villain.........And what the Hell is all this carp about needing a degree to join up? What a load of rubbish the world has definitely, without any doubt, gone mad. I tell you, we are doomed.....

You probably need a degree in computer maintenance to be police officer. All the IT systems are out of date and keep crashing. Lots of work for sparks though, who seem to be permanently on site running cables for this that and the other. I spend more time trying to detect people and departments within my own organisation that I do criminals.

 

[sparksburnout]

Bet the men in their sheds could do a better job than those in parliament.

They would just sell the shed to some bloke in Russia or China and then let it fall into disrepair so the land could be used as an investment opportunity.

 

[telectrix]

BREXIT,nurses,doctors,immigrants,coppers,detectives,chickens, eggs and fat cats......essential to bring all of these into the process of deciding how best to install a new circuit to a shed!
Off topic or what...!

but at least the recent posts have shed some light on what is wrong with this country.

 

[FatAlan]

Who cares now, there's no more hair on my head left to shed!