New fuseboard fitted badly

[davidanthony41]

My friend had a new fuseboard fitted I went to test it .unreal

 

[Dave OCD]

That looks atrocious ! All the Wagos are in the trunking ? Have you any pictures of inside the CU ?

 

[littlespark]

Was that all hanging like that, or have you pulled it out the trunking?

live?

wagos should be in an enclosure, not the trunking, but sometimes it’s unavoidable to joint and extend cables into a new board.

looks like finishing quick came above tidiness in this job

 

[Dave OCD]

There's no excuse for it at all, I just can't understand how anybody could walk away from that thinking it was acceptable - but sadly many just couldn't care less - it's all about getting as much money as possible for doing as little as possible.

 

[SJD]

Difficult to really know without a photo further back showing more, but I'm thinking why was there not room to just install the new board where the old one was, and not need any junctions? Possibly moving the isolator a bit if needed.

 

[Dustydazzler]

This is just horrible

I would rip that entire monstrosity out and start again ( I would put the level wagos in my tool box)

the rest straight in the skip

 

[Pretty Mouth]

wagos should be in an enclosure, not the trunking

@littlespark , is there a reg that prohibits connections in trunking? Sometimes I use a length of 100 X 50 plastic trunking in which I extend cables for board changes. It would be good to know if I'm getting this wrong.

I was under the impression that trunking is an enclosure, this is from definitions:

Cable trunking. A closed enclosure normally of rectangular cross-section, of which one side is removable or hinged, used for the protection of cables and for the accommodation of other electrical equipment.

 

[cliffed]

@littlespark , is there a reg that prohibits connections in trunking? Sometimes I use a length of 100 X 50 plastic trunking in which I extend cables for board changes. It would be good to know if I'm getting this wrong.

I was under the impression that trunking is an enclosure, this is from definitions:

Cable trunking. A closed enclosure normally of rectangular cross-section, of which one side is removable or hinged, used for the protection of cables and for the accommodation of other electrical equipment.

Agree …trunking is an enclosure.

 

[Colin Jenkins]

My friend had a new fuseboard fitted I went to test it .unreal

The consumer unit is a Skrewfix brand. Maybe a clue it's a DIY-type replacement, not a time-served sparks. The fixed cables should have been marshalled into an adaptable box with a DIN rail connector bar to extend the circuits to the CU. Utterly dismal workmanship which should be isolated, corrected and tested.

 

[UNG]

That installation is definitely a C1+
A picture of the inside of the CU would be good as it looks like the RFC's have been extended into the CU with a single 2.5 T&E

 

[Lister1987]

Agree …trunking is an enclosure.

134.1.1 & 510.3 & 526.203 - Bet Wago haven't approved the product for such use
526.3.vi - Not MF in the current state

 

[telectrix]

MF is the least of the worries when the whole thing is a MA (Monkey's Abortion).

 

[Mike Johnson]

Agree …trunking is an enclosure.

Trunking can generally be accessed by just pulling the lid off, is there anything in the UK Regs, as in France, that says to be in an enclosure only accessible by the use of a tool?

 

[brianmoooore]

Trunking can generally be accessed by just pulling the lid off, is there anything in the UK Regs, as in France, that says to be in an enclosure only accessible by the use of a tool?

That is my understanding, so a length of ordinary plastic trunking is not suitable for joining cables, unless the joiners themselves are enclosed inside the trunking.by something that needs a tool to open it.

 

[LukeD]

Trunking can generally be accessed by just pulling the lid off, is there anything in the UK Regs, as in France, that says to be in an enclosure only accessible by the use of a tool?

I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME .

 

[snowhead]

As with a few threads on here some of the story is missing.

Is this house owned by the friend and the agent manages it and have had the EICR and recommended and arranged the work?

Or is the friend a tenant of this property?

Why was the O.P asked to test it?

As bad as it appears to be I can't beleive that the cables and joints were left as pictured, were they all originally within the trunking?

Whoever did the work should not be paid, if the agent has already paid them on behalf of the friend, if the owner, then they should refund the costs.

If the friend is the owner they should find another electrician to re do the work correctly and also find a new agent to manage the property.

If the friend is a tenant they should notify the agent that they will be turning off the power and moving out into a hotel or similar untill the work had been done correctly by another electrican and will be expecting the agent to refund all costs incurred.

 

[loz2754]

526.203

No such reg

 

[loz2754]

Trunking can generally be accessed by just pulling the lid off, is there anything in the UK Regs, as in France, that says to be in an enclosure only accessible by the use of a tool?

A ceiling rose cover, for example, can be also be removed without the use of a tool. Thus revealing live connections. I would be ok with a properly made joint in PVC trunking. In fact the lid is often hard to remove.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Unless you class the stepladder as a tool. ?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Not everything can be tamper proofed, if you need to make a joint within some trunking then I see no issue with it…

I would try rewiring the run but not every job affords you to the time & budget to doing things perfectly

 

[Mike Johnson]

I would try rewiring the run but not every job affords you to the time & budget to doing things perfectly

But is that not what you are paid for, to do things perfectly/correctly, would you accept that on a half re-sprayed car?

 

[DPG]

Looks like an unfinished job to me. How come the guy who did it isn't testing it? Are you going in an EIC for it or covering it with an EICR?

Are we getting the full story?

 

[Rockingit]

It's a dog's dinner certainly, but, electrically speaking the only real things I'm seeing are crowding/grouping issues, wrong size terminations for the 6mm and some missing cpc sleeve. For a handful quid more this could have been done properly in a DIN rail dappy box with DIN joiners.

EDIT - just had a second look - have they made an RFC off into a lollipop??

 

[snowhead]

As usual it looks like someone has spent more time creating a crap looking job with issues than they would have creating a half decent one with none.

Is the reason the wider C.U has been mounted lower, creating the need for some of the joints, because it wouldn't fit up against the socket / FCU / switch or( ?) on the left or were they thinking they needed to comply with the mounted height?

 

[Dustydazzler]

But is that not what you are paid for, to do things perfectly/correctly, would you accept that on a half re-sprayed car?

Often in domestics you are paid to do a job as safely and efficiently as the budget allows

I wish every customer could afford a rolls Royce job with an unlimited budget but in reality some jobs you have to simply do with the time and budget you are afforded

 

[brianmoooore]

Often in domestics you are paid to do a job as safely and efficiently as the budget allows

I wish every customer could afford a rolls Royce job with an unlimited budget but in reality some jobs you have to simply do with the time and budget you are afforded

There's a degree of truth in this, but often the difference in cost between a pig's ear like this and a first class job is almost nothing.

 

[Dustydazzler]

There's a degree of truth in this, but often the difference in cost between a pig's ear like this and a first class job is almost nothing.

oh I agree , £65 on a din box and some decent din connectors and the job could have been so much neater

but if the original sparks quoted low to begin with they probably didn’t have £65 to Spend on the proper gear so throw up some trunking and lashed in som3 wagos

im not forgiving this dogs ear badgers claw abomination of a job but the world isn’t perfect

as I said , rip out and start again

 

[Lister1987]

No such reg

Meant to put 526.3.vi.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

134.1.1 & 510.3 & 526.203 - Bet Wago haven't approved the product for such use
526.3.vi - Not MF in the current state

Connections made in trunking don't need to be maintenance free, as they are accessible.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

The consumer unit is a Skrewfix brand. Maybe a clue it's a DIY-type replacement, not a time-served sparks. The fixed cables should have been marshalled into an adaptable box with a DIN rail connector bar to extend the circuits to the CU. Utterly dismal workmanship which should be isolated, corrected and tested.

Used Chint consumer units many times before bought from an electrical wholesalers, not Screwfix, and find them to be decent.

The live and neutrals connecting the RCDs together and to the neutral bars are a solid conductor and not flexible which I much prefer.

The pre manufactured connections of flexible cores inside a new DB which show a lot of copper at the neutral bar connection are one of my pet peeves.