Who Are You?

[HandySparks]

This poll is for all Forum members. Please read the poll carefully and then choose the best description in the context of your membership of the forum. I can't include all options, so you might like to go into more detail by posting in the thread.

The poll is confidential (forum names are not visible).

For the purposes of the poll:
'Apprenticeship' means a pre-planned formal arrangement for multiple years of structured classroom and on-the-job training.
'Short Course' means a concentrated course of less than 6 weeks of mostly classroom based learning. (Just a C&G 2381 / 2382 'regs' course doesn't count.)
'Electrician' means anyone doing hands-on installation, maintenance, repair or testing of electrical systems (normally for payment) and includes 'domestic installer'.

 

[Engineer54]

There are many routes for obtaining registration with the IET.
Some of them would allow people with no engineering or electrical background what so ever to be registered.

Think you'll need to qualify that statement??

 

[Harni]

That's fine but then DON'T call yourself an Engineer, because at the end of the day, officially you're NOT!!
So what route would you take to obtain MIET registration if you did want to register??

As far as i'm concerned only professionally licensed designations (eg...I Eng /C Eng) within the IET should be calling themselves Engineers. They are the guy's putting their name and their professional licence and livelihood on the proverbial line....

I would apply via the IET which requires proof of your qualifications and your experience.

There are many routes for obtaining registration with the IET.
Some of them would allow people with no engineering or electrical background what so ever to be registered.

I may be wrong here so apologies if i am but as far as I'm aware, the only way to register with the IET is directly through them. As I've said above, they require proof of qualifications, experience, references etc before they will entertain an application.
If there is companies out there though where you can register with no experience or qualifications, i think thats wrong. You're basically just buying a title then!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Providing proof of qualifications, is one of the available options for registering with the IET.
There are other options which do not involve providing proof of qualifications.
For instance holding or having held the rank of Warrent Officer in the armed forces is, or was an option.

 

[Harni]

Think things may have changed then.

Taking a MIET application for example....
Qualifications and experience required for MIET - The IET

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Nope it still allows for Commissioned Officers or Warrant Officers in the armed forces.

 

[Engineer54]

I would apply via the IET which requires proof of your qualifications and your experience.

I take it that would be the TMIET route then, rather than the MIET route??

 

[Geordie Spark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4

 

[pennychew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4

Class Geordie!

 

[Harni]

I take it that would be the TMIET route then, rather than the MIET route??

No you can apply for either TMIET or MIET in the same way obviously choosing which one based on your qualifications and experience. Have a look at their website

 

[Geordie Spark]

Class Geordie!

Thank you.

Given the thread title I thought it appropriate - sort of.

Also gives a little bit of insight into what goes on in a studio for them wot might like t' knaa ye knaa.

 

[andyelectric]

Nope it still allows for Commissioned Officers or Warrant Officers in the armed forces.

We (Weapon Engineers) had access to register as IEng as Chief Petty Officers(Staff sergeant equivalent) in the RN. Can't remember exactly but if I remember rightly they required a certain amount of years experience, you had to get your boss to recommend you and they reserved the right to interview you, although I never heard of anyone who applied actually getting interviewed.

I decided that as I wouldn't be using the letters after my name, the yearly fee wasn't worth it.

Commissioned officers could register as CEng/IEng dependent on quals/experience and Petty Officers as Engineering Technicians off the top of my head.

 

[PEG]

Thank you.

Given the thread title I thought it appropriate - sort of.

Also gives a little bit of insight into what goes on in a studio for them wot might like t' knaa ye knaa.

Cheers,bud,i was considering a lengthy rant RE; Quals debate....and you have enjoyably diverted my attention...Two of the first records i bought,Odds and Sods,Who by Numbers...have all the CD's in me truck...CLASS band,and Kieth Moon still holds title of "Best Hotel Entertainer" :icon12:

 

[HandySparks]

Given the thread title I thought it appropriate - sort of.

Indeed. The Who were on my mind when I set the title.

No Substitute necessary. :biggrin:

 

[Engineer54]

No you can apply for either TMIET or MIET in the same way obviously choosing which one based on your qualifications and experience. Have a look at their website

That's what i was basing my assumption on...

 

[Engineer54]

We (Weapon Engineers) had access to register as IEng as Chief Petty Officers(Staff sergeant equivalent) in the RN. Can't remember exactly but if I remember rightly they required a certain amount of years experience, you had to get your boss to recommend you and they reserved the right to interview you, although I never heard of anyone who applied actually getting interviewed.

I decided that as I wouldn't be using the letters after my name, the yearly fee wasn't worth it.

Commissioned officers could register as CEng/IEng dependent on quals/experience and Petty Officers as Engineering Technicians off the top of my head.

You'd still need suitable electrical/electronic qualifications gained during your time in the Armed Forces. You wouldn't get in without any qualifications, and certainly not as a Registered CEng/IEng....

 

[andyelectric]

You'd still need suitable electrical/electronic qualifications gained during your time in the Armed Forces. You wouldn't get in without any qualifications, and certainly not as a Registered CEng/IEng....

We did obtain qualifications. I think my post referenced quals.

Edit.. My post, although relying on memory is correct as far as I remember. I'm only talking a couple of years ago when I was in the process of leaving so I think its reasonably correct. I decided not to register as IEng as I had no intention of ever using the registration and therefore didn't see the point of a yearly fee merely for letters after my name.

I Still don't think I'm any less of an engineer for not registering.

Mind you if I'd completed an NVQ3 in electrical installation, there are some on here who see it as the equivalent of a medical degree.

 

[Engineer54]

We did obtain qualifications.

Exactly!! My point being that entry into any Chartered Institute is by means of Recognised professional qualifications not just on the Rank attained in the armed forces...

 

[andyelectric]

Exactly!! My point being that entry into any Chartered Institute is by means of Recognised professional qualifications not just on the Rank attained in the armed forces...

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[mpb]

I went for Electrician Other,

4 Year Electrical Mechanical Apprenticeship
ONC Electrical Electronic Engineering
HNC Electrical Engineering
C&G 2382
C&G 2395

Martin

 

[ImpededLoop]

From experience of some of the consultants I have worked with, the letters after the name are meaningless (CIBSE members in my experience). So long as you have a degree and turn up to the regional meetings and buy the right people a drink then you're in and graded. It's still very much an old boys club from my experience. I can't say what the IET are like, maybe they are better?

It's odd that you have to be a member of a professional organisation to call yourself an engineer on here, yet the opposite is said of electricians who join a competent persons scheme.