16 to 8 amp 3 phase

[waynesplash]

Hi there,

I have 3 Phase in my Workshop, with a few Machines, recentlybought a new machine, but found out the Socket is bigger that I was gong to it into, as my other Welding Machinethat fits into this is only 8 Amp, can I get a Socket to fit into this, thatwill that have an 8 and 16 Amp points on that I can then Plug my Welder intoOne and the other Machine in the other ??? If that’s not possible, can I Wireup from One of the other Boxes that come off the main board, or will I have torun a Wire from the main board itself ??? Thx for your Time and help.



Wayne

 

[Pete999]

Are you a sparks, if no then seek advice from someone who is

 

[telectrix]

i can only suggest that you get an electrician in to do what you require safely. where in wales are you? several members may be close enough to you.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I'm knocking about the north coast

 

[Darkwood]

More knowledge as to the machine would be good if the machine has a plated max demand 8amps its quite possible you can just fit a larger plug on it .... only though i stress if the machine is either of a fixed load class or has overload protection within it s controls.

The machine falls outside the BS 7671 standards that this forum hovers around and more than likely will fall under BS60204 so to answer your query if there is a cheap solution to this is not straight forward. You need an Electrical Engineer who has a grasp of both standards to ensure you don't end up paying for work that isn't needed.

95% of the electricians i meet will not know both sets of reg's and if the possibility of just upgrading to a larger plug exists then they will not be aware of it... hence my recommendation to get a Electrical Engineer or a Electrician fluent in industrial set-ups and machinery requirements.

 

[jeremy]

I don't want to put you off, but what colour of plug did your new "machine" come attached with, and what type of machine is it? What colour of sockets do you have in you workshop and how many pins does it have? (Plugs are attached to machines, sockets are attached to the supply). Is the plug on your machine the same colour as your sockets?

 

[waynesplash]

Hi there,

Just hoping there was an adapter Icould buy ??? The Machine has a 16 Amp Red Plug on it, but my Socket which me Welder goes inis the smaller type, 8 Amp, was wondering if I could just plugsomething on the the existing Socket, and then just Plug in either myWelerwththe8 Amp, or Plug both into to some kind o adapter. Or if not, do we I needto go from a sub box or the main board and start new and run a 16 Ampsocket out from the main board so as the Plug my new Machine in.

Wayne

 

[Marvo]

I'd suggest you buy a plug identical to the one on the other welder and get a sparky to pop in and fit it correctly. If you mess this up it could cost you a welder and maybe an eyebrow or two.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I'll quote you happy if your within 20 miles

 

[jeremy]

No, you can't.

 

[cossie400]

Hi there,

Just hoping there was an adapter Icould buy ??? The Machine has a 16 Amp Red Plug on it, but my Socket which me Welder goes inis the smaller type, 8 Amp, was wondering if I could just plugsomething on the the existing Socket, and then just Plug in either myWelerwththe8 Amp, or Plug both into to some kind o adapter. Or if not, do we I needto go from a sub box or the main board and start new and run a 16 Ampsocket out from the main board so as the Plug my new Machine in.

Wayne

Get someone who knows what they are doing.

8A? Really?! 16 and 32A are the two common sizes, sounds like you have a 16A 3 phase plug and if you are trying to fit it into a smaller "commando" type socket then I presume it's blue, which means you have a single phase socket albeit still 16A.

Just because you have 3 phase supply in your workshop doesn't mean every outlet is 3 phase.

Sounds to me that you are trying to fit a 3 phase plug into a single phase socket outlet.....

 

[guest119]

Might be a Reyrole?

Boydy

 

[waynesplash]

Ok thx all, will get it done with a Sparky. But I was wondering,you know when you have a 110 Drill, plug it into the 110 converter box, theOnes you need on Site Work, then you plug the 110 converter box into the 240,well I was hoping that there was a box that I could plug into the 8 Amp socketI all ready have, and then plug my 8 Amp Welder and my new 16 Amp machine intothis, is there anything like that about please ??? As the price I was givenjust to run a lead out 3m with a 16 Amp socket on was £290, thought it wouldonly be about £50. My fault, as when I seen the machine and it said 3 Phase, Idid not know there were different size plugs on these, thought they were allthe same.

Wayne

 

[Darkwood]

Have you contacted the manufacturers of the machine?
If so have you asked them if replacing the 16amp plug with a 32amp would be ok.... as i said its quite possible the machine can be classed as a fixed load item or may have internal overload protection....

£1 phone call may save you a fortune.... or can you supply a link to the machine you have bought?

 

[waynesplash]

Have you contacted the manufacturers of the machine?
If so have you asked them if replacing the 16amp plug with a 32amp would be ok.... as i said its quite possible the machine can be classed as a fixed load item or may have internal overload protection....

£1 phone call may save you a fortune.... or can you supply a link to the machine you have bought?

Hi there,

It’s a very old machine; only know it’s called a wikstrom. Lucky in the photo you can see the plug. So there is nobox like I said above like the 110 that fits in a 240 ???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-Hydraulic-Metal-Cropper-Guillotine-Machine-3-Phase-/321230095879?ViewItem=&ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AGB%3A1123&item=321230095879&nma=true&si=VdQF%252BK0Z5HXA2fMr8gZ3NRPOCHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Wayne

 

[cossie400]

Hi there,

It’s a very old machine; only know it’s called a wikstrom. Lucky in the photo you can see the plug. So there is nobox like I said above like the 110 that fits in a 240 ???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-Hydraulic-Metal-Cropper-Guillotine-Machine-3-Phase-/321230095879?ViewItem=&ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AGB%3A1123&item=321230095879&nma=true&si=VdQF%252BK0Z5HXA2fMr8gZ3NRPOCHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Wayne

Its a 3 phase plug on there.

What colour is your socket on the wall?

 

[Richard Burns]

Ok thx all, will get it done with a Sparky. But I was wondering,you know when you have a 110 Drill, plug it into the 110 converter box, theOnes you need on Site Work, then you plug the 110 converter box into the 240,well I was hoping that there was a box that I could plug into the 8 Amp socketI all ready have, and then plug my 8 Amp Welder and my new 16 Amp machine intothis, is there anything like that about please ??? As the price I was givenjust to run a lead out 3m with a 16 Amp socket on was £290, thought it wouldonly be about £50. My fault, as when I seen the machine and it said 3 Phase, Idid not know there were different size plugs on these, thought they were allthe same.

Wayne
​What you want to do is read what Darkwood has said here, if the manufacturer says OK then this is the easiest solution, however it could be dangerous to do without confirmation.

Have you contacted the manufacturers of the machine?
If so have you asked them if replacing the 16amp plug with a 32amp would be ok.... as i said its quite possible the machine can be classed as a fixed load item or may have internal overload protection....

£1 phone call may save you a fortune.... or can you supply a link to the machine you have bought?

You state some strange values in your posts that do not seem to match with the UK power supply standard sockets and plugs, so it is important that you do know what you are talking about before getting anything changed.

If you wanted a plug in solution then power distribution boxes are available that may provide what you want, however they will cost in the region of £250, so a permanent solution would be a better answer.

Talk to the person from whom you got the initial price and ask them if they can correctly and within the regulations and safety requirements of the easiest solution to your problem. If they cannot then find someone who can advise you.

 

[waynesplash]

Its a 3 phase plug on there.

What colour is your socket on the wall?

Will take a close up photo tomorrow.

Wayne

 

[waynesplash]

You state some strange values in your posts that do not seem to match with the UK power supply standard sockets and plugs, so it is important that you do know what you are talking about before getting anything changed.

If you wanted a plug in solution then power distribution boxes are available that may provide what you want, however they will cost in the region of £250, so a permanent solution would be a better answer.

Talk to the person from whom you got the initial price and ask them if they can correctly and within the regulations and safety requirements of the easiest solution to your problem. If they cannot then find someone who can advise you.

That seems a good idea, will take a close up photo of the plug on the machine to see if there I anything I can buy.

Wayne

 

[waynesplash]

This is what I was hoping for, plug the Red One into my boxI now have, that’s run from the main board close to my Welder, then plug theWelder and the machine into the Blue Ones, but what I would need is where theBlue Ones are now, Two different size Ones, as the Welder has a smaller plugthen the machine as I said.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=power+distribution+boxes+3+phase&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=qEzsUrCSAtGBhAey9YHwCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=737#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=F2wwH5VyqDMbMM%253A%3B9bExFH2Kd2nPRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.ebayimg.com%252Ft%252F32A-3Phase-rubber-distribution-board-distro-stage-power-breakout-box-IP44-%252F00%252Fs%252FMTIwMFgxNjAw%252F%252524(KGrHqRHJC!E9rVkbYEhBPkcCMvspg~~60_35.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.co.uk%252Fitm%252F32A-3Phase-rubber-distribution-board-distro-stage-power-breakout-box-IP44-%252F251118848242%3B300%3B225

Wayne

 

[Davey1988]

Sounds like you only have single phase wired upto your so called socket fella. Thats a 3 phase plug on the pic of the machine. Im guessing your welder if single phase if its a blue plug. Or could it be european and 2 phase. You need to give us more information. What socket have you got in your premisis.

take a pic of it,

 

[Darkwood]

Im getting all confused ....
Either take photos or print what amp rating, colour and pin number you existing wall outlet is, then same for the welder plug and the machine plug then at least we have some relevant info to go on... their are a number of size, rating and ampage available and without more info it all guess work.

 

[waynesplash]

Box which we have ran off the main Board Years ago, this is he Plug coming from the 3 Phase Welder, and as you know fits into the Plug coming from the Box you can see. Was hoping I could plug something into the Plug coming from the Wall, and put back in the Welder Plug and the new machine.

Wayne

 

[waynesplash]

Pulled the covers off, this is immediately above the boxthat we plug the Welder in.

Wayne

 

[waynesplash]

With the Wires you just seen, these are going Several Yardsto this box, that we tried to connect the machine, but no luck, but as yousaid, this box could only be 2 Phase.

Wayne

 

[waynesplash]

Side of the Machine we tried to connect up from the last box I showed you.

Wayne

 

[Sintra]

Think you need to get someone in to sort that mess out for you mate.

 

[Flanders]

By the look of that lot I would get a spark in an start again You have asbestos flash pads in that switched fuse which are ok as long as you don't disturb them, but that is about the safest part of the installation .

 

[waynesplash]

Yes it is a bit old, done about 25 Years ago, but all Works fine and as we do not employ anyone, we are ok. Sorry it is a bit rough, but as all have been Working for all these Years, we just have not changed.

Wayne

 

[Sintra]

There is a big difference between working and safe and tbh that does not look safe.

 

[Flanders]

Ok so its ruff and proberbly works fine one of my concerns is the earth connection are they just twisted together and they look like they are not connected to the metal switch fuse if there is ever a fault and theirs no earth connected to the switch then it could become live and that could hurt a bit if you were to touch it .

 

[waynesplash]

Ok so its ruff and proberbly works fine one of my concerns is the earth connection are they just twisted together and they look like they are not connected to the metal switch fuse if there is ever a fault and theirs no earth connected to the switch then it could become live and that could hurt a bit if you were to touch it .

We only did that to test to see if the machine would work, but it did not, so we took the fuses out. But think your all right and best get a Sparky in. Thx all, best not mess with your own life. One more, so what about the power distribution boxes that One of you put up wuld they work ???

Wayne

Wayne

 

[Flanders]

The distribution boxes you are looking at will convert a 3 phase and neutral supply to single phase and neutral outlets and you do not have a neutral on your welding socket

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Yes it is a bit old, done about 25 Years ago, but all Works fine and as we do not employ anyone, we are ok. Sorry it is a bit rough, but as all have been Working for all these Years, we just have not changed.

Wayne

lol....:nonod:

 

[GLENNSPARK]

We only did that to test to see if the machine would work, but it did not, so we took the fuses out. But think your all right and best get a Sparky in. Thx all, best not mess with your own life. One more, so what about the power distribution boxes that One of you put up wuld they work ???

Wayne

Wayne

.....:yes:

 

[Marvo]

Hi there,

It’s a very old machine; only know it’s called a wikstrom. Lucky in the photo you can see the plug. So there is nobox like I said above like the 110 that fits in a 240 ???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Used-Hydraulic-Metal-Cropper-Guillotine-Machine-3-Phase-/321230095879?ViewItem=&ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AGB%3A1123&item=321230095879&nma=true&si=VdQF%252BK0Z5HXA2fMr8gZ3NRPOCHo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Wayne

This is what I was hoping for, plug the Red One into my boxI now have, that’s run from the main board close to my Welder, then plug theWelder and the machine into the Blue Ones, but what I would need is where theBlue Ones are now, Two different size Ones, as the Welder has a smaller plugthen the machine as I said.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=power+distribution+boxes+3+phase&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=qEzsUrCSAtGBhAey9YHwCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=737#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=F2wwH5VyqDMbMM%253A%3B9bExFH2Kd2nPRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.ebayimg.com%252Ft%252F32A-3Phase-rubber-distribution-board-distro-stage-power-breakout-box-IP44-%252F00%252Fs%252FMTIwMFgxNjAw%252F%252524(KGrHqRHJC!E9rVkbYEhBPkcCMvspg~~60_35.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.co.uk%252Fitm%252F32A-3Phase-rubber-distribution-board-distro-stage-power-breakout-box-IP44-%252F251118848242%3B300%3B225

Wayne

Hi Wayne, the links in these posts are cached search results and probably will become broken links when the server cache is cleared. It's much better if you actually visit the page you want to link to and then copy the web address from there.

For example I could paste this link to this thread;
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rc...mpcVP8QzeXLeFeY1KnwFbVA&bvm=bv.60444564,d.ZG4

This link will probably die in a few days when Google clears its cache.....

or I could paste the actual address of this thread;
http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk...-electrical-forum/87206-16-8-amp-3-phase.html
This link will always point to this thread and will still be working years from now.

 

[waynesplash]

Ok thank you all.

Wayne