Amendment 2 is out today

[newfutile]

BS7671 amd 2 has now been published

IET & BSI publish Amendment 2 (2022) to BS 7671:2018 (IET Wiring Regulations)

The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) and BSI, have signed off the content for Amendment 2 to BS 7671:2018 (18th Edition of the IET Wiring Regulations), which introduces a new requiremen

professional-electrician.com

 

[Dustydazzler]

Is this the AFDDDDD amendment ?

 

[timhoward]

But not available to read anywhere until tomorrow? I think I'll just wait for Buzz to explain it to us.

All most of us want to know is after lots of speculation, what does regulation 421.1.7 actually say about AFDDs.
And then we probably have 6 months to sell as many sensibly priced consumer unit upgrades as possible before things get truly silly...!

 

[Rockingit]

Not listing on BSi online shop yet

 

[Rockingit]

Publish date is 28th March so the guessing and speculation goes on. Be interested to see what this whole new chapter 8 is about.

 

[DPG]

I personally don't think AFDD devices will be mandated yet. Feel free to give me some stick if I'm wrong though

 

[newfutile]

All it say there on AFDD is: a new requirement for Arc Fault Detection Devices (AFDDs) in some AC final circuits for installations in some types of higher risk residential buildings;
whatever that means?

 

[DPG]

All it say there on AFDD is: a new requirement for Arc Fault Detection Devices (AFDDs) in some AC final circuits for installations in some types of higher risk residential buildings;
whatever that means?

It can't just say that surely. There must be more?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Didn't the introduction of SPDs start in a similar way ?

 

[westward10]

Amen.

 

[newfutile]

on the IET website is states:Members of the committee responsible for the technical content of BS 7671, JPEL/64, are not permitted to release any further information before the publication date.

https://www.------.org/media/press-...2-2022-to-bs-76712018-iet-wiring-regulations/

 

[DPG]

on the IET website is states:Members of the committee responsible for the technical content of BS 7671, JPEL/64, are not permitted to release any further information before the publication date.

https://www.------.org/media/press-...2-2022-to-bs-76712018-iet-wiring-regulations/

I thought you meant that's all it said in the new ammendment.

 

[newfutile]

No sorry i was just discussing the AFDD part

 

[buzzlightyear]

No sorry i was just discussing the AFDD part

keep up at the back.

 

[Calebp43]

Will the OSG remain the same?

 

[Lister1987]

Will the OSG remain the same?

Course not, they'll change the colour, throw throw a few typos and 1 bit of information thry forgot last time around and they'll call it "new and improved'

 

[123]

Will the OSG remain the same?

Nope...and all the Guidance Notes will change as well

 

[cloverman]

Nope...and all the Guidance Notes will change as well

Yep ! The money making machine keeps rolling on

 

[neon1991]

so is the addition of AFDD's on all circuits up to 32a, for all installation or just higher risk installations such as high rise flats?? got a few consumer unit changes coming up in April and I dont think that the valid excuse of "regs change" is going to make up for the £500+ change in price

 

[Dustydazzler]

I am holding off quoting for AFDDs at the moment , for 2 reasons

1 They are crazy expensive

2 I am unconvinced that they even work

 

[timhoward]

Let's wait 20 more days...and see!
It will either be no change at all, or sell an many CU upgrades as possible before July.
I'd be very surprised if AFDD's are instantly mandatory in all domestic premises.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Let's wait 20 more days...and see!
It will either be no change at all, or sell an many CU upgrades as possible before July.
I'd be very surprised if AFDD's are instantly mandatory in all domestic premises.

They aren't even mandatory on all circuits in America & Canada , so don't know why they would be mandatory here

Imo AFDDs should be an 'optional' upgrade , not a mandatory regulation

 

[Rockingit]

My only thoughts on the great AFDD debate is just that I'd assume after Grenfell that the Fire Service will have pushed for them very hard indeed for anything that might even resemble BMO's. We wait to see.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I will be keen to learn more about the stuff on foundation earthing, will make life interesting on some jobs

 

[Dustydazzler]

Any news of LSOH cable for domestics

Saw something on social media , think it might have been something Nick Bundy wrote that LSOH would be replacing PVC for house wiring ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

i bet the Chinese will be rubbing their hands , 50p to make 125.00 to sell . what an earth goes through the IET heads .
its ok some customer will need to take out a second mortgage for them to go in .

 

[timhoward]

There was something about a shorter checklist for EICRs at one point. That one's gone rather quiet.

Any news of LSOH cable for domestics

Saw something on social media , think it might have been something Nick Bundy wrote that LSOH would be replacing PVC for house wiring ?

Hope not.
Though last week I made a stupid mistake and managed to 1st fix about 80m of singles that looked like 2.5mm and turned out to be 1.5mm LSOH. I wasn't happy!

 

[Dustydazzler]

There was something about a shorter checklist for EICRs at one point. That one's gone rather quiet.

Hope not.
Thought last week I made a stupid mistake and managed to 1st fix about 80m of singles that looked like 2.5mm and turned out to be 1.5mm LSOH. I wasn't happy!

Reminds me when I done my training , one of the older boys spent all day rewiring an entire rfc of about 20 sockets in 1.5mm 3c n earth thinking it was 2.5 twin n earth

 

[Pretty Mouth]

There was something about a shorter checklist for EICRs at one point. That one's gone rather quiet.

I think it was the EIC that was planned to be a lot shorter, only 10 inspection tick boxes IIRC. From someone who hates paperwork, it's a step in the right direction, but we'll see.

 

[Bear]

Hi all. This is what I've read about it today.
Hope the like works.

I find it strange there making AFDD mandatory?

https://electrical.------.org/wirin...-2-of-the-18th-edition-bs-76712018plusa22022/

 

[loz2754]

Hi all. This is what I've read about it today.
Hope the like works.

I find it strange there making AFDD mandatory?

https://electrical.------.org/wirin...-2-of-the-18th-edition-bs-76712018plusa22022/

Thanks but this forum filters out links to the IET.
Repost the link after putting it through a URL shortening service.

 

[123]

Why is the i e t a banned word here? Seems very petty

 

[timhoward]

The impact of Amendment 2 of the 18th edition (BS 7671:2018+A2:2022)

In this article, we look at the impact that some of the proposed changes in the draft for public comment (DPC) will have on electrical installations. We focus on Chapter 42, Chapter 44 and the new Chapter 82.

tinyurl.com

 

[loz2754]

The impact of Amendment 2 of the 18th edition (BS 7671:2018+A2:2022)

In this article, we look at the impact that some of the proposed changes in the draft for public comment (DPC) will have on electrical installations. We focus on Chapter 42, Chapter 44 and the new Chapter 82.

tinyurl.com

Well done sir!

So this article states that these are only draft proposals....

As I said earlier, let's just wait and see!

 

[UNG]

Course not, they'll change the colour, throw throw a few typos and 1 bit of information thry forgot last time around and they'll call it "new and improved'

At Elex Bolton last week it was mentioned that some typos and errors had slipped through by one of the IET people { spoke to.
I pre ordered the new regs at the show so just waiting for it to land on the door mat

 

[Timbo]

Well done sir!

So this article states that these are only draft proposals....

As I said earlier, let's just wait and see!

That article is dated November 2020.

 

[timhoward]

That article is dated November 2020.

Yep, to be clear I knew that when I posted the link, I was just helping someone who wanted to share that content.

 

[Simon47]

It doesn't seem to be on BSOL yet - just the 2020 consultation doc.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

But not available to read anywhere until tomorrow? I think I'll just wait for Buzz to explain it to us.

All most of us want to know is after lots of speculation, what does regulation 421.1.7 actually say about AFDDs.
And then we probably have 6 months to sell as many sensibly priced consumer unit upgrades as possible before things get truly silly...!

That's easy. You don't need to wait till tomorrow...
" AFDD's may or may not need to be fitted in all new and replacement consumer units. If you choose to omit the AFDD, a risk assessment needs to be carried out so you can prove to your assessor that you pretended to give it careful consideration. In addition, please read the following 17 pages regarding when to install an AFDD. You will then need to spend a further 3 years discussing the ambiguity to gain further understanding".

 

[timhoward]

And the answers arrive...

 

[timhoward]

Quick summary from video above:
AFDDs only required in:
-Higher risk residential buildings
-HMOs
-Purpose built student accommodation
-Care homes
Less consumer unit labelling needed, "handover pack" instead
IR tests of circuits with sensitive equipment required to be 500v with sensitive equipment disconnected, then 250v with equipment connected
RCD testing simplified to x1 on AC setting, for both waveforms. x5 test not required.
Basically don't use type AC RCDs
SPD risk assessment ditched - all installs need one unless home owner 'declares' they understand risks and don't want one.
Protected escape routes in new buildings have restrictions on services running above them
Simpler model forms
Sockets in bathrooms can be 0.5m closer bath now (3m changed to 2.5m)!!
Earth rods are now "recommended" for TNCS supplies.

 

[kropaske]

And here is the pdf version from certsure...

You can even test your knowledge with little quiz at the end

 

[Simon47]

No prizes for this one, what do people think will be done by a typical consumer with a handover pack ?
a) Read it carefully and store it safely so it can be found any time it's needed.
b) Chuck it in the nearest drawer (or other "place where stuff goes to die") and then chuck it out when tidying out the drawer because it's full.
c) Just chuck it out straight away.
d) Use it in the cat's litter tray.
e) Something else

 

[Simon47]

I recall commenting on this during the consultation. In the wider world, "prosumer" has a long established and well entrenched meaning. Now the wiring regs refer to the "prosumer".
So do we think that JPEL/64 were careful to avoid causing further confusion for Joe Public

 

[Simon47]

And here is the pdf version from certsure...

You can even test your knowledge with little quiz at the end

Ooh, interesting.
So they've solved the argument over sleeving a G/Y in a multicore - it's finally not allowed That's going to pee off a lot of plumbers when their installations fail an EICR
And in a real WTF moment, DC +ve is changing back to RED (finally some sense) except when it's blue. DC -ve becomes white except when it's blue. So DC circuits could be red/white, red/blue, blue/white, or red/blue/white

 

[timhoward]

Ooh, interesting.
So they've solved the argument over sleeving a G/Y in a multicore - it's finally not allowed That's going to pee off a lot of plumbers when their installations fail an EICR
And in a real WTF moment, DC +ve is changing back to RED (finally some sense) except when it's blue. DC -ve becomes white except when it's blue. So DC circuits could be red/white, red/blue, blue/white, or red/blue/white

There's a fair helping of common sense is quite a lot of the changes, so they had to do something 'special' somewhere....!
I'm particularly looking forward to a ceremonial bonfire for my 2 versions of BS7671 colours stickers.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I'm particularly looking forward to a ceremonial bonfire for my 2 versions of BS7671 colours stickers.

i bring the toffee apples then .

 

[buzzlightyear]

new ideas for the coming amendments ,so dont need the stickers on the cu then ,only Kilroy was here . give a customers a pack of what tea bags and sticker ,here put them on your selves I'm off.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

So AFDDs
if altering a circuit in an hmo with rcbos which as of yesterday was compliant. do we now need to upgrade the rcbo to afdd if adding a socket to the circuit or adding a light etc? we are not talking like for like but additons

 

[pc1966]

Watching the eFix video on this, with wine and chocolate.

Yes, my life is that dull!