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  1. Gemma
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    Hi

    I don't know if anyone can help, but I'm very grateful to anyone who can provide input. I won't go into the full story, but my windows upstairs appear to have an electrical current running through them.

    It's only the windows upstairs.

    They also set off a radio frequency detector.

    Even if the fuse box is powered off, they still give an electrical reading.

    It is not a home security system. Just bog standard double glazing.

    The house was re-wired (not by me) and the electrician I had over recently noted what a mess it was and the upstairs and downstairs aren't on seperate circuits.

    I have a photo, but I can't attatch it. It shows the window handle giving off a 12v reading, the same as my power points.

    I also have a video of the windows setting off the radio frequency detector.

    My friend, a glazer, came over and used a thermal imaging camera and we noticed the windows had unusual hot spots on the frames.

    I have a feeling it may be being used for some kind of surveillance system that I am unaware of.

    Very weird question I know, but any advice is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks
     
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    Anyone got Fox Moulder's number
     
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  4. telectrix
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    i's first suspect an earthing fault. might even be a neighbour's house. a competent electrician should be able to sort this issue.
     
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    @Pete999@Pete999 I'd gladly take the number! Needless to say I'm desperate! Otherwise I wouldn't be here!
     
  6. Gemma
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    @telectrix@telectrix would not turning off the fuse box stop this giving a reading then?

    I'm unsure as to how it could be related to my neighbours. Can you elaborate for me please (in simple terms, I know very little about electrics, bar basic wiring). The house was rewired a couple of years back.
     
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  7. Pete999
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    Do you live near any a HV power lines
     
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  8. telectrix
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    as neighbouring houses are commonly connected to the mass of earth, along with yours, a fault in one could affect another. there could also be a poor connection in the supply, maybe underground. there's several possibilities.

    or it's aliens from Mars. they passed through the Milky Way, fond it sickly, tried the planet Snickers, but found that they had a nut allergy, so ended up here, buggering about with your windows. :D:D:p:p:mad:
     
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  9. Gemma
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    No
     
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    LOL! That would be the preferred answer!
     
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  11. static zap
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    Do you get a similar reading from the screws in you upstairs light switches.
    ( The device you are using is very sensitive - 12V Harmless 50V more problematic )
    If you comb you hair ,rub a balloon ,it can find static electricity !
    (if readings vary between people it may be shoes/carpet related)
     
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    You aren't using a pen type voltage tester by any chance to test for volts are you?
     
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    Voltage on its own, without an associated current, is not an indication of a problem. Any odd piece of metal that is not deliberately earthed, can take up a random voltage to earth (which is what that tester is displaying, approximately. Actually between the contact tip and you). As Zap says, the tester is very sensitive and will detect the voltage even when there is no capability for any current to flow. And voltage without current does not constitute electrical power, so there is no indication here that any practical measurable amount of power could flow from the window frame or the earth connections. Indeed when you comb your hair you may be producing thousands of volts of static electricity, but it doesn't set your hair on fire because there's no current.

    Plus, these testers are notoriously unreliable. We cannot say from here that there is no fault with your wiring but so far there is no useful evidence of one. If you take a measurement
    from the window to earth, using a proper multimeter, you will almost certainly get a reading of zero volts.
     
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    And I can't see how any real voltage could ever appear on those handles as the frame is UPVC.
     
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    I diagnosed similar ,either windows recently cleaned , or volts are on OP , relative to a piece of metal surrounded mostly by plastic !
     
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    why not? upvc is the creation of the devil, along with weetabix floors, dot & dab, and roof trusses. who's to say that the devil has not introduced a phantom voltage to scare god-fearing peasants.
     
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    I wouldn't worry too much about this... my volt stick constantly lights up when it's on me, not on the apprentice or anyone else I work with. Could be clothing, hair, something your walking on... anything.
     
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    I found phantoms attempting to escape with one of those
    (£Land) sticks from a cable hiding in plaster !
    (like a recent directive for 220V not 110V volt sticks ,
    it is possible to be too sensitive )
     
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    had that cable been to A&E?
     
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    Are you on the beer Tel ? :p
     
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    only on my 7th so far. having a light session today. going bed in a min. up @ 7 am tomorrow.
     
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    In two minds whether this is a wind up or real, but I'm gonna bite.
    What happened that made you aware of voltage on your window frame.
    Why are you desperate
    Why do you imagine there is some kind of surveillance on you
    You say windows up stairs how many, or is it just one
    What prompted you to use radio detection
    What unusual hot spots, where and how were they distributed
    What significance do you attach to the hot spots, are they on other windows
    Is the voltage AC or DC
    Use a voltage/cable detector around the window frame to ensure there is no old cable around or in the wall that should have been made dead.
     
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  23. freddo
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    Is your house right next to a transmitter? High power RF can cause voltage to appear on unearthed metal.
     
  24. danzor
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    Clearly the windows need a bit of bonding, do the rads while your at it or get an RCD then your free of all evil
     
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    What like a hug and a pint?
     
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    And we all laughed at D.W.Cockburn, when he was right all along...
     
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    I remember when we had to bond metal window frames!
     
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  28. DPG
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    Brill. You are very paranoid! What made you think of this?
     
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    Not possible unless you have evidence of parabolic microphones in the vicinity.
     
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    Pair of what?? :):)
     
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    What PARABOLIC?
     
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    Bolics!
     
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    OK sorry I offended you, no need to get offensive:p:D:eek::oops::rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks for explaining things Handysparks!
     
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    Actually DPG it's not bolics
     
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    parabolic.... similar to alcholic, but a parabolic has a tendency to parachute out of perfectly good aeroplanes. due to the forward speed of the aircraft, until the parachute opens, the parachutist's travel through thin air describes a parabola. hence the term.
     
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    bolics
     
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    all depends on the spurious volage. is it AC or DC ( turn sound up full ):

     
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  41. DPG
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    Now that's a tune!
     
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  42. Wilko
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    I know this is a silly movie, but it's got aliens (so maybe connected to the OP?) explosions and very big 16" guns that fired projectiles weighing a ton over 20 miles. And that track :)



    Best bit is 4:30 ...
     
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  43. Gavin John Hyde
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    The solution is to buy copious amounts of aluminium foil and put this on the walls behind the paper and paint. cover your window panes with the foil and it will protect you from the potentially harmful currents and signal waves. All just in case you are being monitored. If you have any foil left on the roll you can make a hat to wear when driving and out the house.
     
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  45. static zap
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    Could become a bonding issue , your need an electricians help !
     
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