Brexit. We’re out!

[static zap]

so why does he think people will rush to change their number plates next January?

Probably the next daft idea on F-Barf ... k,u,w,t, Joneses !
Sheep have an easy life !

 

[baldelectrician]

Its your link, just quoting it.
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Yes, the parliament decided to change the policy on the flag situation, its more democratic and accountable to have the whole parliament decide on such a matter- that way nobody can hide behind a small comittee

 

[Midwest]

Yes, the parliament decided to change the policy on the flag situation, its more democratic and accountable to have the whole parliament decide on such a matter- that way nobody can hide behind a small comittee

Ken Macintosh wouldn’t agree with you. I feel your hole is getting deeper.

PS Clearly you don’t read your own bull pup offered by your party. If one thing I’ve learnt over the years, is not to believe any politician. For what it’s worth, I’m not a lover of Boris, but it’s all we have at the moment. I would not trust your Nicola as far as I could krankie her.

 

[Zerax]

The client (85 yrs old) proudly pipes up that all her family, all her 4 kids, partners and 4 grand kids are now Yes / pro indy.
She even told me the family had made sure the younger ones are on the voters role.

That just proves what all the official figures show... that education standards in Scotland are lower than the rest of the UK...

 

[buzzlightyear]

I can see it now 5 half million scots paddling around the north sea in a Scottish island and going round in circles and long john sturgeon shouting at the people row you dogs and
pointing to the EU .and when getting their to france and makron shouting not another lot of immigrants .lol.

 

[Midwest]

I can see it now 5 half million scots paddling around the north sea in a Scottish island and going round in circles and long john sturgeon shouting at the people row you dogs and
pointing to the EU .and when getting their to france and makron shouting not another lot of immigrants .lol.

I can see a better aspiration, let’s stick together and seek a better purpose.

 

[baldelectrician]

Ken Macintosh wouldn’t agree with you. I feel your hole is getting deeper.

PS Clearly you don’t read your own bull pup offered by your party. If one thing I’ve learnt over the years, is not to believe any politician. For what it’s worth, I’m not a lover of Boris, but it’s all we have at the moment. I would not trust your Nicola as far as I could krankie her.

Ken will have to go with the will of the democratically (proportional) elected Scottish Parliament

It's not about Nicola, it's about independence.
Once we get independence I will not be voting SNP- they are a means to an end.

There is no other horse in the race that is supporting independence.

 

[DPG]

Ken will have to go with the will of the democratically (proportional) elected Scottish Parliament

It's not about Nicola, it's about independence.
Once we get independence I will not be voting SNP- they are a means to an end.

There is no other horse in the race that is supporting independence.

Why would you not still not vote SNP if they have done as much good as they say they have? Are they not exactly telling the truth?

 

[baldelectrician]

I can see a better aspiration, let’s stick together and seek a better purpose.

Let's not
As much as I like the places and people of the UK the rest of the UK is leaning rightwards politically where Scotland is more left. That is the reason labour are failing.

Yes- we could stick together but it should be the decision of the Scottish people through a referendum to stay in or leave the union of parliaments.

 

[Baddegg]

Let's not
As much as I like the places and people of the UK the rest of the UK is leaning rightwards politically where Scotland is more left. That is the reason labour are failing.

Yes- we could stick together but it should be the decision of the Scottish people through a referendum to stay in or leave the union of parliaments.

Didn’t you already do that?

 

[Vortigern]

Didn’t you already do that

yeh but that don't count, like the brexit vote, it was the wrong answer for the wokerati.

 

[Midwest]

Let's not
As much as I like the places and people of the UK the rest of the UK is leaning rightwards politically where Scotland is more left. That is the reason labour are failing.

Yes- we could stick together but it should be the decision of the Scottish people through a referendum to stay in or leave the union of parliaments.

That’s the conundrum, your leaning left wants to split the Union, it’s not a swear word. Westminster, as you phrase it, is made up of representatives of people’s across the UK. The last election screwed (albeit fed up up with Brexit crap) was also fed up jwith Labour. Popularity is short term.

 

[baldelectrician]

Why would you not still not vote SNP if they have done as much good as they say they have? Are they not exactly telling the truth?

The SNP do a better job of running Scotland compared to Westminster running the UK, some examples

• Scottish Futures Trust - the ONLY method of procurement in the UK is PFI, the Scottish Government set up their OWN PFI organisation to cap excess profits and return same profits to the Scottish Government.
• NHS Procurement Scotland To help the Scottish NHS the procurement pools the buying power of all health boards in Scotland and saves - the Scottish NHS buys many things cheaper than the NHS in the rest of the UK
• Banned many types of combustible cladding in 2007 onwards -----------------------The Building (Scotland) Act 2003 which came into force introduced the mandatory regulation which stated:
  “Every building must be designed and constructed in such a way that in the event of an outbreak of fire within the building, or from an external source, the spread of fire on the external walls of the building is inhibited.”
• Changed procurement law in Scotland to require apprentice and other benefits. Community benefit requirements are defined in the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 as a contractual requirement imposed by a contracting authority: a) relating to: training and recruitment. availability of sub-contracting opportunities.
• Regulated private landlords and required electrical checks and fire detection provision
• Regulated letting agents and required them to be registered and meet minimum standards
• Introduced the PRT - private residential tenancy - landlords cannot evict tenants without reason. No 'no fault' evictions any more for tenancies after Dec 2017.
• Introduced over 1100 hours of free child care for parents free child care for parents
• Built over 70,000 new affordable homes in Scotland -of these 48,813 are available for social renting, provided by councils or registered social landlords (RSLs).
• The small business bonus scheme gives relief on property taxes for businesses which have a rateable value of £35,000 or less. This means many small businesses in Scotland pay no rates on their premises. It was introduced on April 1, 2008 by the Scottish Government.
• Baby boxes
• Banned fracking
• Set up a Scottish National Investment Bank
• Queensferry Crossing
• Borders Railway reopened

 

[DPG]

The SNP do a better job of running Scotland compared to Westminster running the UK, some examples

• Scottish Futures Trust - the ONLY method of procurement in the UK is PFI, the Scottish Government set up their OWN PFI organisation to cap excess profits and return same profits to the Scottish Government.
• NHS Procurement Scotland To help the Scottish NHS the procurement pools the buying power of all health boards in Scotland and saves - the Scottish NHS buys many things cheaper than the NHS in the rest of the UK
• Banned many types of combustible cladding in 2007 onwards -----------------------The Building (Scotland) Act 2003 which came into force introduced the mandatory regulation which stated:
  “Every building must be designed and constructed in such a way that in the event of an outbreak of fire within the building, or from an external source, the spread of fire on the external walls of the building is inhibited.”
• Changed procurement law in Scotland to require apprentice and other benefits. Community benefit requirements are defined in the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 as a contractual requirement imposed by a contracting authority: a) relating to: training and recruitment. availability of sub-contracting opportunities.
• Regulated private landlords and required electrical checks and fire detection provision
• Regulated letting agents and required them to be registered and meet minimum standards
• Introduced the PRT - private residential tenancy - landlords cannot evict tenants without reason. No 'no fault' evictions any more for tenancies after Dec 2017.
• Introduced over 1100 hours of free child care for parents free child care for parents
• Built over 70,000 new affordable homes in Scotland -of these 48,813 are available for social renting, provided by councils or registered social landlords (RSLs).
• The small business bonus scheme gives relief on property taxes for businesses which have a rateable value of £35,000 or less. This means many small businesses in Scotland pay no rates on their premises. It was introduced on April 1, 2008 by the Scottish Government.
• Baby boxes
• Banned fracking
• Set up a Scottish National Investment Bank
• Queensferry Crossing
• Borders Railway reopened

That my point. Why will you not keep voting for them after your referendum then?

 

[baldelectrician]

That my point. Why will you not keep voting for them after your referendum then?

They are better than the craap we have as an alternative at the moment

We get 2 votes in the Scottish Parliament elections - one for constituency and one for list
The list votes can be a waste as the votes get divided by the number of seats a party wins in the constituency plus 1.

The SNP need a good opposition and checks and balances.
The poor opposition does not keep them on their toes and under less scrutiny. When we are independence many of us will not vote for SNP in the list at least and the small parties will rise- particularly the Greens

 

[buzzlightyear]

The SNP do a better job of running Scotland compared to Westminster running the UK, some examples

• Scottish Futures Trust - the ONLY method of procurement in the UK is PFI, the Scottish Government set up their OWN PFI organisation to cap excess profits and return same profits to the Scottish Government.
• NHS Procurement Scotland To help the Scottish NHS the procurement pools the buying power of all health boards in Scotland and saves - the Scottish NHS buys many things cheaper than the NHS in the rest of the UK
• Banned many types of combustible cladding in 2007 onwards -----------------------The Building (Scotland) Act 2003 which came into force introduced the mandatory regulation which stated:
  “Every building must be designed and constructed in such a way that in the event of an outbreak of fire within the building, or from an external source, the spread of fire on the external walls of the building is inhibited.”
• Changed procurement law in Scotland to require apprentice and other benefits. Community benefit requirements are defined in the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 as a contractual requirement imposed by a contracting authority: a) relating to: training and recruitment. availability of sub-contracting opportunities.
• Regulated private landlords and required electrical checks and fire detection provision
• Regulated letting agents and required them to be registered and meet minimum standards
• Introduced the PRT - private residential tenancy - landlords cannot evict tenants without reason. No 'no fault' evictions any more for tenancies after Dec 2017.
• Introduced over 1100 hours of free child care for parents free child care for parents
• Built over 70,000 new affordable homes in Scotland -of these 48,813 are available for social renting, provided by councils or registered social landlords (RSLs).
• The small business bonus scheme gives relief on property taxes for businesses which have a rateable value of £35,000 or less. This means many small businesses in Scotland pay no rates on their premises. It was introduced on April 1, 2008 by the Scottish Government.
• Baby shoe boxes for the feet
• Banned farting
• Set up a Scottish National Investment Bank owned by dick turpin and co
• Queensferry Crossing owed by the uk government
• Borders Railway reopened to know where

so where can I sign up .lol.
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That my point. Why will you not keep voting for them after your referendum then

because the EU will be running it .the collective the borg.
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the Italy will be next to go .then grease with john Travolta sing staying alive .

 

[Midwest]

so where can I sign up .lol.

It’s utopia buzz. God willing.

 

[JK-Electrical]

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[JAWS]

@baldelectrician

Serious question: Why do Scottish nationalists swear by the UK leaving the EU will all end in tears yet Scotland leaving the Union will be all Violets & Roses.

 

[littlespark]

Lots and lots of varied points of view here. I think some of you are wasted in your electrical profession. Should have been in politics.

 

[Midwest]

Lots and lots of varied points of view here. I think some of you are wasted in your electrical profession. Should have been in politics.

I know, and we’ve not even started on the Welsh yet. Oooops forgot about sparkychick.

 

[SparkyChick]

I know, and we’ve not even started on the Welsh yet. Oooops forgot about sparkychick.

For the record... I'm English... I just live here, but don't get me started on the Welsh Assembly... useless bunch of muppets... they spout a pro-EU position and wanted to remain despite most of Wales voting to leave. Dominated by Labour and Plaid Cymru who both appear to be completely and utterly out of touch with the people of Wales.

 

[Midwest]

Haha, does that mean you need to apply to indefinite leave to remain

 

[baldelectrician]

SNP getting on with the day job again
Removing tax breaks from private schools (remember state schools don't get them at all)

Private schools to be stripped of tax breaks next year under SNP plans

PRIVATE schools will be stripped of controversial tax breaks from the start of the next academic year under plans put forward by the SNP.

www.heraldscotland.com

 

[telectrix]

For the record... I'm English... I just live here, but don't get me started on the Welsh Assembly... useless bunch of muppets... they spout a pro-EU position and wanted to remain despite most of Wales voting to leave. Dominated by Labour and Plaid Cymru who both appear to be completely and utterly out of touch with the people of Wales.

the WA are same as westminster. all the money spent in the south and the north gets nowt. Wales is where HS2 should be, instead of trying to get from Rhyl to Cardiff via Crewe. 7 hours.

 

[DPG]

SNP getting on with the day job again
Removing tax breaks from private schools (remember state schools don't get them at all)

Private schools to be stripped of tax breaks next year under SNP plans

PRIVATE schools will be stripped of controversial tax breaks from the start of the next academic year under plans put forward by the SNP.

www.heraldscotland.com

And yet you STILL don't intend to keep voting for them.

 

[baldelectrician]

And yet you STILL don't intend to keep voting for them.

I will until we get independence then i become a cheap tart and will think about other parties - remember the list system (a SNP vote in the list is sometimes a waste of time)

 

[R-fur]

I am with Baldelectrician, I am much more Yes than SNP but I will continue to vote SNP until there is a credible altenative. The SNP have many faults but they are the only party that puts Scotland first. Labour and conservatives just do what their bosses in Westminster say.

 

[littlespark]

You watch Westminster on telly, or the scottish parliament... (don't know about welsh) but you just start think to yourself:

"Get a professional in"

 

[Midwest]

I am with Baldelectrician, I am much more Yes than SNP but I will continue to vote SNP until there is a credible altenative. The SNP have many faults but they are the only party that puts Scotland first. Labour and conservatives just do what their bosses in Westminster say.

I just wonder how the split will would be enabled; NHS, Military, Infrastructure.

Generally the only thing Brexit that needs negotiation is trade. What will you do with your currency, military establishment, medical care to able us to split? The list is endless.

 

[mattg4321]

I’ve read various articles from various sources over the past few years that say education in particular, but also healthcare, justice and policing are in turmoil in Scotland. Yet all we ever hear is how great the SNP are. Seems like nobody holds them to account and they are swindling the good people of Scotland with their ‘freebies’. I’d rather pay a bit for a good education/healthcare than get a shoddy one for free.

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[baldelectrician]

I just wonder how the split will would be enabled; NHS, Military, Infrastructure.

Generally the only thing Brexit that needs negotiation is trade. What will you do with your currency, military establishment, medical care to able us to split? The list is endless.

The NHS in Scotland is already split- there are no healthcare trusts here, trusts are required to work together and NOT compete.
The SNP have already merged health and social care (3 years ago)

The military is a joke - the Scottish regiments are mainly disbanded and the mostly train outside Scotland, there is a £1.2 bn under spend in Scotland - ie more is raised in Scotland by Westminster than is spent in Scotland
There are NO fishery protection vessels based in Scotland despite Scotland having over 70% of the UK's maritime waters
All the destroyers and frigates are based in Scotland

Once independent we can build ships etc in Scotland and actually get some. Remember before the indyref 1 the UK promised 22 frigates / destroyers and a centre of excellence in shipbuilding. That didn't happen and we got 3 ships and the rest going out to re-tender.

Infrastructure- the stuff physically in Scotland will become Scottish on the day of independence

 

[Zerax]

Lots and lots of varied points of view here. I think some of you are wasted in your electrical profession. Should have been in politics.

Corrected that for you...

 

[Midwest]

The NHS in Scotland is already split- there are no healthcare trusts here, trusts are required to work together and NOT compete.
The SNP have already merged health and social care (3 years ago)

The military is a joke - the Scottish regiments are mainly disbanded and the mostly train outside Scotland, there is a £1.2 bn under spend in Scotland - ie more is raised in Scotland by Westminster than is spent in Scotland
There are NO fishery protection vessels based in Scotland despite Scotland having over 70% of the UK's maritime waters
All the destroyers and frigates are based in Scotland

Once independent we can build ships etc in Scotland and actually get some. Remember before the indyref 1 the UK promised 22 frigates / destroyers and a centre of excellence in shipbuilding. That didn't happen and we got 3 ships and the rest going out to re-tender.

Infrastructure- the stuff physically in Scotland will become Scottish on the day of independence

We’ll want all our ships back then.

 

[baldelectrician]

We’ll want all our ships back then.

That's the point- none are based in Scotland . We will build our own using Scottish ship yards

 

[buzzlightyear]

That's the point- none are based in Scotland . We will build our own using Scottish ship yards.

dream on ,that will cost when bankrupt ,if the wicked witch of the north have her own way , she will not have a army or a navy ,considering that thing wants to get rid of the sub bay in the forth .
and you have non oil any way . so patrolling the Scottish isle is going to be pretty hard .

 

[Baddegg]

@baldelectrician

Serious question: Why do Scottish nationalists swear by the UK leaving the EU will all end in tears yet Scotland leaving the Union will be all Violets & Roses.

I still think this question deserves a serious answer from you @baldelectrician, I only say you mate as you seem to be the only person on that side of a great debate/argument ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

Whats is with the scots thinking going it alone its behond me , you belong to england wearther you like it or not , now i can see some body spitting the dummys out write now , so suck it in and stop crieing.oh i forget did the English beat you once before in football.i can now hear a screaming cat , is that a man with it under is arm pit useing it for a bag pipe .lol.

 

[baldelectrician]

dream on ,that will cost when bankrupt ,if the wicked witch of the north have her own way , she will not have a army or a navy ,considering that thing wants to get rid of the sub bay in the forth .
and you have non oil any way . so patrolling the Scottish isle is going to be pretty hard .

The money thing I disagree with- if we are bleeding Westminster dry then why are they forcing us to stay, they will lose over 50 anti Tory MP's and the rest of the UK will have semi permanent conservative government.

See Jim Rogers on Sterling if Scotland does not use it

The sub bay is in the Clyde.
They do NOT want to get rid of it - only the nuclear subs.

Scotland has NO vessels of any type (apart from ferries and RNLI) based here, Scotland has over 70% of UK coastal area and will need vessels for the area
See map

The amount of jobs at Faslane will double or treble- not decrease upon independence

We will also have to expand the port at Rosyth as we will need a direct ferry to the EU to miss the Brexit chaos.

 

[buzzlightyear]

The amount of jobs at Faslane will double or treble- not decrease upon independence

where do you think them subs are made ,china ,barrow thats where they are made and what air force are scotland is going to have .
are you going to shoot the ruskies down with a bow and arrow .
you can join the EU army soon when you move away .cutting ties.

 

[Midwest]

They got our new sub hunter planes; we’ll want them back. Will all our Scottish chums living in England & Wales have to apply to indefinite leave to remain ?

 

[baldelectrician]

They got our new sub hunter planes; we’ll want them back. Will all our Scottish chums living in England & Wales have to apply to indefinite leave to remain ?

You can just feel the love, why would anyone want to leave such an open warm union of equals?

When (not if) Scotland leaves the UK the former UK (fUK) will survive very well and may thrive despite the dire warnings of those pesky professionals.

The longer we wait for a referendum the worse it gets for the UK, if Boris had a brain he would call the Scottish Government's bluff and have it very soon- before the Brexit chaos kicked in.
The demographic is changing younger people are very pro indy whilst older ones (above 75) are the opposite. The ones at that age are not here for the long term and every year about 40,000 people die in Scotland.
Most of these people are NO voters and the clock is ticking

As things stand now the indyref is 50% pro indy at WORST, a referendum campaign and the UK union media onslaught might drop that a little but the numbers of yessers in the yes movement will help.
Remember the opinion polls do not canvass 16-17 year olds who are very pro indy so that will add 1%-2% to the total (minimum)
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There will be a trade deal with the UK when Scotland leaves

I am certain of that as Scotland produces around double the electricity it uses, 5 times the oil and about 6 times the gas it uses.

If the UK decide 'no deal' the lights may go out down south, sense will probably prevail.

When UK politicians allude to a hard deal on Scottish independence they really have not looked in to the facts

Ireland have added 2 ferry routes from Cork to France and Spain to miss out the UK, the Scottish Government are looking at Rosyth for the same reason.

Rosyth sees ferry plans to EU ports gaining traction

THE company which wants to start a new freight and passenger ferry service between Rosyth and Eemshaven in The Netherlands is pressing ahead with…

www.thenational.scot

 

[DPG]

The problem you're going to have with your indy referendum is the same as we had with the EU referendum, which is that the vote will probably not be far off 50/50. Fundamentally that means no matter what the outcome, a hell of a lot of people won't be happy

 

[Midwest]

You can just feel the love, why would anyone want to leave such an open warm union of equals?

When (not if) Scotland leaves the UK the former UK (fUK) will survive very well and may thrive despite the dire warnings of those pesky professionals.

The longer we wait for a referendum the worse it gets for the UK, if Boris had a brain he would call the Scottish Government's bluff and have it very soon- before the Brexit chaos kicked in.
The demographic is changing younger people are very pro indy whilst older ones (above 75) are the opposite. The ones at that age are not here for the long term and every year about 40,000 people die in Scotland.
Most of these people are NO voters and the clock is ticking

As things stand now the indyref is 50% pro indy at WORST, a referendum campaign and the UK union media onslaught might drop that a little but the numbers of yessers in the yes movement will help.
Remember the opinion polls do not canvass 16-17 year olds who are very pro indy so that will add 1%-2% to the total (minimum)
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There will be a trade deal with the UK when Scotland leaves

I am certain of that as Scotland produces around double the electricity it uses, 5 times the oil and about 6 times the gas it uses.

If the UK decide 'no deal' the lights may go out down south, sense will probably prevail.

When UK politicians allude to a hard deal on Scottish independence they really have not looked in to the facts

Ireland have added 2 ferry routes from Cork to France and Spain to miss out the UK, the Scottish Government are looking at Rosyth for the same reason.

Rosyth sees ferry plans to EU ports gaining traction

THE company which wants to start a new freight and passenger ferry service between Rosyth and Eemshaven in The Netherlands is pressing ahead with…

www.thenational.scot

I love Scottish people’s, not just all of them. ?

 

[baldelectrician]

The problem you're going to have with your indy referendum is the same as we had with the EU referendum, which is that the vote will probably not be far off 50/50. Fundamentally that means no matter what the outcome, a hell of a lot of people won't be happy

I disagree- the amount of people who have went from No to Yes is quite a lot
People remember the 'vow' and the 'near federalism'

They remember the promise to build the frigates

Michael Fallon overrules Royal Navy head over Scotland’s shipyards

Defence secretary makes clear new frigate will be built on the Clyde after First Sea Lord suggests contract could go abroad

www.theguardian.com

Press and Journal (anti SNP paper)

17 'broken promises' of the Better Together campaign revealed on 'independence day'

The Scottish Government had earmarked March 24 as “independence day” if voters in the 2014 referendum had supported leaving the UK. To mark the date,

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon urges PM to honour pledge on Clyde shipbuilding jobs

Intervention comes amid fears of 800 redundancies if UK government shelves planned orders to Scottish shipyards

www.theguardian.com

 

[buzzlightyear]

Scottish Government are looking at Rosyth for the same reason.

yeah I can see that happening bobbing around in the water for a couple of days ,short distance hull for me .

 

[baldelectrician]

yeah I can see that happening bobbing around in the water for a couple of days ,short distance hull for me .

The point of the route is that it will be inside the EU so will have very few trade barriers, it also gives an alternative to ports inside the rest of the UK which could have barriers / delays, the UK needs to be inside the customs union to have tariff free access

It is a bit strange that after Brexit is finalised Turkey will have better access to the EU market than the UK

 

[DPG]

It's a shame we can't have a 2nd referendum just to get all this rubbish out of the way.

Edit: I mean Scottish independence referendum

 

[buzzlightyear]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...http:/ /navalshipbuilding.co.uk/supply-chain/

pull out from Scotland you haven't got a chance .
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It's a shame we can't have a 2nd referendum

not another JC ,had it got over it or would you have communist corbum for a pm ,the people made a mark on the ballet paper . we have left . this country needs to get a grip with this rebellion .

 

[DPG]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...http:/ /navalshipbuilding.co.uk/supply-chain/

pull out from Scotland you haven't got a chance .
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not another JC ,had it got over it or would you have communist corbum for a pm ,the people made a mark on the ballet paper . we have left . this country needs to get a grip with this rebellion .

Sorry buzz, wasn't very clear there, I meant a Scottish independence referendum. With a result that we stay as a union and we can get on with things again.