Condition Report Questions

[akwoody2]

Morning,

Following issuing a condition report iv been asked to rectify all codes. Once done do i re-issue a condition report with nothing in the observations and add a side note to day its been rectified or do i reissue it with the observations with a side note saying all of the above has been rectified?

Also where circuits have been replace a EIC will be issued but do i also put the new figures onto the condition report?

Thanks

 

[telectrix]

you do the remedials, fill out EIC or MWC as appropriate, then attach said certs to the original EICR. that way, it's obvious that all codes have been rectified.

ps. why does your avatar say elecrtician and DIY?

 

[akwoody2]

you do the remedials, fill out EIC or MWC as appropriate, then attach said certs to the original EICR. that way, it's obvious that all codes have been rectified.

ps. why does your avatar say elecrtician and DIY?

Thanks for you reply. some items that have been rectified (IP ratings, down rating fuses, securing cables ect) wont be covered by a EIC or MWC. How do i go about noting that they have been rectified?

To answer your question, im not to sure why it says DIY and iv tried getting hold of a staff member to change it as i cant find out how to do it myself on my profile. As of yet iv had no joy changing it.

 

[telectrix]

add a comments page detailing these minor issues.

it will need a member of staff to alter your status. try a pm to GMES or Marvo.

 

[akwoody2]

Many thanks Tel

 

[GMES]

Pm sent mate I'm just on phone so don't want to start navigating things from this.
Also only staff can alter those settings for obvious reasons. At the moment my 8 stone pooch in in my place having a nap after his morning run, feel free to come and move him lol.

 

[westward10]

I'll bring my neighbours cat round.

 

[Wilko]

How about a nice leg of lamb, and leave that poor cat alone !

 

[GMES]

You should now be a regular member woody and lost the DIY tag.

 

[Octopus]

Just to chuck a curved ball in this ....

If the EICR is to be given to a letting agent, this "original EICR ad other certs tactic" won't work - they will want a "satisfactory" report and if this is the case you will need to update the original (and charge accordingly)!

Just saying....

 

[akwoody2]

Thanks GMES!

Valid point Murdoch, although its not for a lanlord that's how i thought i would have to do it along with adding the EIC for the new circuits that i have installed

 

[telectrix]

How about a nice leg of lamb, and leave that poor cat alone !

leg of lamb my arse!. that mutt needs a half a cow to stop him eating the sofa.

 

[Wilko]

Oh so true true true.
A cat would barely touch the sides ...

 

[westward10]

Do the works, issue MWC, EIC and reissue a new EICR with satisfactory on it, assuming you don't find a load of other stuff wrong.

 

[sparksburnout]

OK Tin hat on. The last time I was in this situation, I provided the client with a plain English, written statement of what the problems were, along with a quote for putting it right. I gave them the option of either just paying for the unsatisfactory EICR and getting other quotes for the work required, or accepting my quote for the remedial work. I then provided certs for the remedial work and a satisfactory EICR. A lot of customers are bamboozled by the EICR and just want things put right? As long as we don't seek to take advantage of the situation I don't see whats wrong with this, but I suppose some unscrupulous people might try and take advantage. I think charging for 2 EICR's and doing the work is taking the mick really, all they want at the end of it all is a cert that says "satisfactory", not one that says "unsatisfactory" with some others attached to it?

 

[westward10]

OK Tin hat on. The last time I was in this situation, I provided the client with a plain English, written statement of what the problems were, along with a quote for putting it right. I gave them the option of either just paying for the unsatisfactory EICR and getting other quotes for the work required, or accepting my quote for the remedial work. I then provided certs for the remedial work and a satisfactory EICR. A lot of customers are bamboozled by the EICR and just want things put right? As long as we don't seek to take advantage of the situation I don't see whats wrong with this, but I suppose some unscrupulous people might try and take advantage. I think charging for 2 EICR's and doing the work is taking the mick really, all they want at the end of it all is a cert that says "satisfactory", not one that says "unsatisfactory" with some others attached to it?

We have a client who does just that, test it, correct it and give me a satisfactory Report.

 

[The Ghost]

I agree @sparksburnout especially where in one case missing blanker, issued certificate then ran to wholesalers got an mcb filled blank. I mean really I would have felt like blakey from on the buses saying no sorry no can do gotta give you unsatisfactory report. Do the work then re-issue....purleeasse give me strength where has common sense gone. Ay yay yay!

 

[westward10]

I agree @sparksburnout especially where in one case missing blanker, issued certificate then ran to wholesalers got an mcb filled blank. I mean really I would have felt like blakey from on the buses saying no sorry no can do gotta give you unsatisfactory report. Do the work then re-issue....purleeasse give me strength where has common sense gone. Ay yay yay!

Probably not about common sense, he may have done the EICR then client later says can you put it right.

 

[Risteard]

I have to say that it isn't correct to reissue an EICR with "Satisfactory" written on it.

The correct way is an Unsatisfactory EICR followed by an EIC or MEIWC(s) detailing the issues rectified (citing the EICR if you want).

For another EICR to be issued should require another periodic inspection and test of the electrical installation - but there is no sensible reason for wanting this with "Satisfactory" written on it. The fact that the remedial work has been certified proves that it is safe and in fact that whatever work was done complies with BS 7671:2008 (2015) - something which the EICR wouldn't prove anyway.

 

[sparksburnout]

I have to say that it isn't correct to reissue an EICR with "Satisfactory" written on it.

The correct way is an Unsatisfactory EICR followed by an EIC or MEIWC(s) detailing the issues rectified (citing the EICR if you want).

For another EICR to be issued should require another periodic inspection and test of the electrical installation - but there is no sensible reason for wanting this with "Satisfactory" written on it. The fact that the remedial work has been certified proves that it is safe and in fact that whatever work was done complies with BS 7671:2008 (2015) - something which the EICR wouldn't prove anyway.

You try telling that to some 18 year old with half a brain in a letting agents office.

 

[ferg]

I've just done 2 properties where all they wanted was a satisfactory report.

Did the remedials as I was going along and issued satisfactory certs.

Otherwise I do what burnout does.

Common sense has to prevail at some point.

 

[Dave OCD]

This is exactly what I do, nearly every time. Makes much more sense and you leave behind a safe installation and [hopefully] a happy customer.

 

[7029 dave]

Reading the op, that's fine if you are the person who has identified issues, agreed remedial's then signed a satisfactory EICR. Different story if somebody else comes in. Eg mot test failed (seek second opinion) , go to the next station, you will pay another test fee.

 

[akwoody2]

Sorry, not sure if my original post confused some of you. When I say reissue EICR I don't mean carry out another EICR and charge again, I mean rewrite the original certificate without the codes and new results (r1 + r2, rcd test etc) for work carried out to rectify faults along with issuing EICs where necessary

 

[westward10]

I think the time scale between the initial and later EICRs need taking into consideration as to whether a retest is required.

 

[akwoody2]

I think the time scale between the initial and later EICRs need taking into consideration as to whether a retest is required.

Agree, in my situation everything is completed within 3 weeks

 

[Risteard]

Did the remedials as I was going along and issued satisfactory certs.

An EICR is not a cert, though. Did you actually certify the work you carried out as required by BS7671?

 

[Risteard]

Sorry, not sure if my original post confused some of you. When I say reissue EICR I don't mean carry out another EICR and charge again, I mean rewrite the original certificate without the codes and new results (r1 + r2, rcd test etc) for work carried out to rectify faults

That really isn't the correct way for it to be done, however.

 

[akwoody2]

That really isn't the correct way for it to be done, however.

That's the reason for the post, how would you go about it?

 

[akwoody2]

That really isn't the correct way for it to be done, however.

Again I'll ask you, how would you go about it?

 

[ferg]

An EICR is not a cert, though. Did you actually certify the work you carried out as required by BS7671?

Absolutely, I certified changing a couple of damaged accessories, a cu blank, and some minor tidying up.


I do apologise most humbly for not using the correct terminology, it is absolutely unforgivable of me to call an EICR a cert.

What's the weather like over there in pedant corner.

 

[Risteard]

I do apologise most humbly for not using the correct terminology, it is absolutely unforgivable of me to call an EICR a cert.

What's the weather like over there in pedant corner.

It's not being pedantic though - it's important to understand that you are NOT certifying any work you have done as required by BS7671 by using an EICR.

 

[Risteard]

Again I'll ask you, how would you go about it?

I already told you.

Do the EICR. If it is Unsatisfactory then fill out an EIC or MEIWC(s) for the remedial works required (and reference the original EICR if you like). Finito.

 

[ferg]

It's not being pedantic though - it's important to understand that you are NOT certifying any work you have done as required by BS7671 by using an EICR.

I'm not quite sure if you are trolling, patronising or you really do think I'm an idiot.

 

[The Ghost]

So we took over an EICR with maybe 150 problems. I worked through them all retested and issued a certificate either EIC or MEIWC as apt. We then transferred the new figures to the original EICR removed the codes of the original problems and issued a satisfactory EICR to the client. There does not seem to be any other logical way to deal with this unless I am missing something (not unusual for me I might add) So as work progressed and problems were fixed we have a cert for any work done to rectify to back up the new EICR.

 

[Risteard]

There does not seem to be any other logical way to deal with this unless I am missing something

What you are missing is that there is no logical reason to issue a second EICR. The first one outlines the faults etc. found, and the subsequent certification proves that it all has been dealt with.

So why a second EICR?

 

[The Ghost]

What you are missing

A thought provoking insight, I will have to think about that. However because there are about 200 tenants and many want a certificate for their unit for insurance purposes that would be the reason we issue a second satisfactory certificate. We cannot ask the CEO to give each client 300 pages of EICR saying unsatisfactory with attendant corrections noted on other certs. to give to their insurance company. We give The front pages and their unit. Any way around that ? I could see it on a single domestic....but messy.

 

[The Ghost]

After all I don't want my clients ending up like this...