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You are out of your mind :)
What is that set?

Would you advise that car dealerships buy £10 diagnostic scanners from ebay, rather than use thousands of pounds worth of manufacturer's equipment?

Should those car dealerships provide cheap jacks and axle stands for their mechanics, rather than expensive ramps?

Would you advise a chef to ditch their expensive knives, because they could buy knives from a pound shop?

With respect, there are tools and there are tools. I'm not an electrician, so wont tell electricians what tools they should or should not use, but any one who uses a tool regularly will know what is up to a particular job and what is not.

I have a variety of tools. Some were cheap and some were not. Some of those cheap tools are junk and some are reasonably decent. If I need a tool for a one off job, I may well go for the cheapest option that is fit for the purpose for which I need it. If I'm buying a tool that's going to be used regularly, chances are I'll buy something that will do the job and also last a significant period of time.

In your shoes, I wouldn't try arguing against years of combined knowledge about a task you've never completed successfully. Maybe when you've managed several thousand secure crimps, using a €5 tool, you might be in a better position to denounce more expensive options. Until then, I'm inclined to agree with those voices of experience.
 
It's more worth for the price you paid then you would pay for Ferrari.
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Or you can agree to not disagree, it's your choice.
Looks to me that ELECMOX is prolonging this thread just as a ploy to continue this thread. maybe get a life ELECMOX.
 
No, I think he just sees it from a very limited perspective and can't see how others see it.

I am pretty sure some acceptable ratchet crimps would be available locally if they looked around, after all in the UK (which is not a cheap country by any standard) you can get them in major DIY places for under 20 Euro, not the 50 Euro mentioned.

I have bought tools and test equipment from £10 to £15,000 that others would see as pointless, but they let me do specialised work that ended up bringing in far more revenue so to me they were worth it.
 
No, I think he just sees it from a very limited perspective and can't see how others see it.

I am pretty sure some acceptable ratchet crimps would be available locally if they looked around, after all in the UK (which is not a cheap country by any standard) you can get them in major DIY places for under 20 Euro, not the 50 Euro mentioned.

I have bought tools and test equipment from £10 to £15,000 that others would see as pointless, but they let me do specialised work that ended up bringing in far more revenue so to me they were worth it.
I did post link to rachets that are just for insulated connectors that I think are acceptable for 22 Euros, but people are convincing me that I should ---- away 85 pounds for an object that is so ridicoulosly overpriced that I still can't believe that others are blind of how much smarter that many can be spent.
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Would you advise that car dealerships buy £10 diagnostic scanners from ebay, rather than use thousands of pounds worth of manufacturer's equipment?

I don't give a damn if they cost 10 or 1000 pounds if they do job correctly.
I go to authorised as to local service that doesn't have expensive equipment, and I am happy how they repair my car.

Should those car dealerships provide cheap jacks and axle stands for their mechanics, rather than expensive ramps?
Authorised car dealers here offer both OEM and non-OEM parts for cars that are both fine, only difference is that OEM part cost 10x more. You won't see a difference.

Would you advise a chef to ditch their expensive knives, because they could buy knives from a pound shop?
I eat at both expensive and non-expensive restaurants, I don't care about knives but whether is meal good, and let me tell you, non-expensive restaurants with cheap knives often surprise me a bit.
 
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I did post link to rachets that are just for insulated connectors that I think are acceptable for 22 Euros, but people are convincing me that I should ---- away 85 pounds for an object that is so ridicoulosly overpriced that I still can't believe that others are blind of how much smarter that many can be spent.
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I don't give a damn if they cost 10 or 1000 pounds if they do job correctly.
I go to authorised as to local service that doesn't have expensive equipment, and I am happy how they repair my car.


Authorised car dealers here offer both OEM and non-OEM parts for cars that are both fine, only difference is that OEM part cost 10x more. You won't see a difference.


I eat at both expensive and non-expensive restaurants, I don't care about knives but whether is meal good, and let me tell you, non-expensive restaurants with cheap knives often surprise me a bit.
Not interested Mate.
 
Apologies - I missed that as no in-line image present to make it obvious.

Yes, they should do the job OK. So if you ever need to use other insulated style crimp connections (e.g. the 1/4" push-on terminals, etc) then go for that.
Finally someone agrees to my crimps. :) Thank you.
 
At the risk of dragging this saga out even more, I would suggest that most decent car repair garages are likely to use Snap On socket sets than a twenty quid Ebay bargain. Just saying.
 
You are out of your mind :)
What is that set?

It is a set from Klauke,bought for a specific job,which more than amply,paid for them...(happy days)

They have more than justified their lofty position,in me tool safe,and have done allsorts,including lots of DC work,and recently,i adapted them to crimp up 100 trailer brake safety lanyards,in bowden cable.

This particular short-notice gig,at a plant outfit,got me paid with a faulty generator,which i threw £300 at,and a days work,and sold for £2000.

.....That £600 is looking a bargain,now,aint it?;)

For some it's the bookies,drink,cars,party-products....even anvils (....another story),but i have always liked quality tools....sometimes a need,sometimes a want...

I can justify owning every tool i have,i reckon....but i could never,get 4 pages out of a ten pound crimp ....;)
 
Just checked, and yes, the DFS sale is still on...
and this thread is still running...
which is great, cos I've nothing else to do at 4am...
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My daughter tells me she has hair crimps that cost over £100...
but they must be crap cos her hair needs re-crimped regularly
 
I just checked, and i have a set of crimps i forgot about! Hurrah! so glad I have more!
they are for "jelly" crimps, you know, for telecomms etc. They were quite cheap, actually, but adequate for occasional use.
 
I just checked, and i have a set of crimps i forgot about! Hurrah! so glad I have more!
they are for "jelly" crimps, you know, for telecomms etc. They were quite cheap, actually, but adequate for occasional use.

Jelly is a bugger to crimp!
 
What R&D!?
Do you know, without doing any work or expending any time to find out, exactly what the criteria are to properly crimp the 3 sizes of insulated crimps ? That's die shape & size, size when fully closed, pressure needed, etc, etc ? No ? OK, there's your first bit of R from R&D.
Now, once you have that, you need to decide on the design of the tool. OK, there's a lot of tools out there that basically copy the first guy, but that design had to be done once, and any reputable manufacturer will do their own calcs.
Having done your outline design, you then need to determine the forces involved in the various parts - even if you only paid €5 for the tool, you'd be a bit peeved if it just mangled the first time you tried to use it. Again, most of the cheaper copies will be just copies without that bit, but any decent manufacturer will do their own to be sure - especially if it's something they are prepared to stick their name on ;) So there's your first bit of D from R&D.
Now you have to tool up to make them. Trust me, your attitude makes it clear that you have no concept whatsoever of what it costs to have press tooling made. If you did have a clue, you really would not be baulking at what many of us consider to be reasonable prices. Note my earlier post about the number of stampings needed for one tool - that's a lot of press tools to be made, and each tool has a limited life (tools stamping out 2-3mm steel sheet components do wear out). So that's a very big chunk of D - a VERY big chunk.
Then you need to gear up your production line. Setup the riveting tools, train the operators, and if it's even a half decent tool - the calibration stage. Another significant chunk of D.
Oh yes, there's the plastic injection moulding tools as well. Another chunk of D.
And in my earlier post I forgot about the packaging - a piece of printed cardboard and a vac-formed plastic shell.

So now, you've got the tooling in place, the parts are rolling off, the assembly line is working, and finally you have the finished item in your warehouse. You need to tell potential customers that you have them (kerching £), ship them out to wholesalers (kerching £), the wholesaler need to add their profit margin (kerching £), the wholesaler needs to tell their customers that they have them (kerching £), and they need to get them to the customers (kerching £). The customer in this case might be a retailer, in which case they have their own overheads to pay for (kerching £) and marketing costs (kerching £), and maybe postage to the end user (kerching £).

And if you got it wrong in those R&D stages, and even in some cases if you didn't, then you'll get warranty returns. There'll be replacement products and/or refunds - additional costs with no returns. get it badly wrong and that can kill a business stone dead - it's happened in the past :eek: So you need to build in a margin for "Oops" events.

Only if you ignore (I'll be generous and put it down to lack of knowledge) all these costs will you describe all these tools as rip offs.

Oh yes, Snap-On Tools were mentioned. Yup, they are "reassuringly expensive", but guess what - I own some Snap Ons (ooh err, missus) :D Any professional mechanic, a real professional at least, will tell you that good tools are worth the cost. Picture the scene ...
Customer brings in car for repair, and there's that b'stard of a seized bolt. Cheapskate mechanic uses his cheap socket set that doesn't quite fit properly - so now he had a second problem, not only is the bolt still stuck, but the corners are rounded off on the head. Professional mechanic uses his quality tool where the socket is the right shape & size - and while it may or may not shift the bolt (sometimes more drastic action is needed), at least it won't add to the problem.
I've seen situations where shifting a bolt has meant destroying a component. Sometimes it's been a case "do it properly at the first attempt and it might not have been needed". Destroying a component like that adds to the cost of the repair, and might mean a delay of a day or two getting a replacement. A friend of mine once did a job (in this case it was a "swap" - he fixed the plasterer's van, the plaster plastered his bathroom) that ended up like that. He ended up with the van stuck on his lift in the workshop for several days - which had a knock-on effect on his ability to work on other (paying) customers' vehicles. In this case, it wasn't poor tools that caused the problem, but it illustrates how simple things can escalate.
BTW - if you do manage to break a Snap On tool, they replace it - lifetime warranty.
 
Oh yes, Snap-On Tools were mentioned. Yup, they are "reassuringly expensive", but guess what - I own some Snap Ons (ooh err, missus) :D Any professional mechanic, a real
If you want to impress the missus then you need to get a big King Dick:

Leave the strap snap-on for her!
 
I just checked, and i have a set of crimps i forgot about! Hurrah! so glad I have more!
they are for "jelly" crimps, you know, for telecomms etc. They were quite cheap, actually, but adequate for occasional use.
I'm got a few pairs of ratchet crimps that I have no idea what they're for now... I have a feeling one set are for BNC connectors ? But long forgotten about the others...
 
I'm got a few pairs of ratchet crimps that I have no idea what they're for now... I have a feeling one set are for BNC connectors ? But long forgotten about the others...
Yes, I have a few for coax connectors of various sizes, and a wildly expensive Radiall tool for preparing semi-ridged coax for soldering.
 
At the risk of dragging this saga out even more, I would suggest that most decent car repair garages are likely to use Snap On socket sets than a twenty quid Ebay bargain. Just saying.
Do you know, without doing any work or expending any time to find out, exactly what the criteria are to properly crimp the 3 sizes of insulated crimps ? That's die shape & size, size when fully closed, pressure needed, etc, etc ? No ? OK, there's your first bit of R from R&D.
Now, once you have that, you need to decide on the design of the tool. OK, there's a lot of tools out there that basically copy the first guy, but that design had to be done once, and any reputable manufacturer will do their own calcs.
Having done your outline design, you then need to determine the forces involved in the various parts - even if you only paid €5 for the tool, you'd be a bit peeved if it just mangled the first time you tried to use it. Again, most of the cheaper copies will be just copies without that bit, but any decent manufacturer will do their own to be sure - especially if it's something they are prepared to stick their name on ;) So there's your first bit of D from R&D.
Now you have to tool up to make them. Trust me, your attitude makes it clear that you have no concept whatsoever of what it costs to have press tooling made. If you did have a clue, you really would not be baulking at what many of us consider to be reasonable prices. Note my earlier post about the number of stampings needed for one tool - that's a lot of press tools to be made, and each tool has a limited life (tools stamping out 2-3mm steel sheet components do wear out). So that's a very big chunk of D - a VERY big chunk.
Then you need to gear up your production line. Setup the riveting tools, train the operators, and if it's even a half decent tool - the calibration stage. Another significant chunk of D.
Oh yes, there's the plastic injection moulding tools as well. Another chunk of D.
And in my earlier post I forgot about the packaging - a piece of printed cardboard and a vac-formed plastic shell.

So now, you've got the tooling in place, the parts are rolling off, the assembly line is working, and finally you have the finished item in your warehouse. You need to tell potential customers that you have them (kerching £), ship them out to wholesalers (kerching £), the wholesaler need to add their profit margin (kerching £), the wholesaler needs to tell their customers that they have them (kerching £), and they need to get them to the customers (kerching £). The customer in this case might be a retailer, in which case they have their own overheads to pay for (kerching £) and marketing costs (kerching £), and maybe postage to the end user (kerching £).

And if you got it wrong in those R&D stages, and even in some cases if you didn't, then you'll get warranty returns. There'll be replacement products and/or refunds - additional costs with no returns. get it badly wrong and that can kill a business stone dead - it's happened in the past :eek: So you need to build in a margin for "Oops" events.

Only if you ignore (I'll be generous and put it down to lack of knowledge) all these costs will you describe all these tools as rip offs.

Oh yes, Snap-On Tools were mentioned. Yup, they are "reassuringly expensive", but guess what - I own some Snap Ons (ooh err, missus) :D Any professional mechanic, a real professional at least, will tell you that good tools are worth the cost. Picture the scene ...
Customer brings in car for repair, and there's that b'stard of a seized bolt. Cheapskate mechanic uses his cheap socket set that doesn't quite fit properly - so now he had a second problem, not only is the bolt still stuck, but the corners are rounded off on the head. Professional mechanic uses his quality tool where the socket is the right shape & size - and while it may or may not shift the bolt (sometimes more drastic action is needed), at least it won't add to the problem.
I've seen situations where shifting a bolt has meant destroying a component. Sometimes it's been a case "do it properly at the first attempt and it might not have been needed". Destroying a component like that adds to the cost of the repair, and might mean a delay of a day or two getting a replacement. A friend of mine once did a job (in this case it was a "swap" - he fixed the plasterer's van, the plaster plastered his bathroom) that ended up like that. He ended up with the van stuck on his lift in the workshop for several days - which had a knock-on effect on his ability to work on other (paying) customers' vehicles. In this case, it wasn't poor tools that caused the problem, but it illustrates how simple things can escalate.
BTW - if you do manage to break a Snap On tool, they replace it - lifetime warranty.
Then any mobile phone had to cost about 100.000$. IPhone about 1.000.000$.
 
What are for then ?

I need to crimp car speaker wires.

Can I use one of these:
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Many years ago I bought a crimping kit from Halfords, that looked just like that, along with a selection of crimp connectors. It was rubbish, the connectors deformed while crimping and the connections easily pulled apart. Waste of money. Didnt cut well, the jaws should have been as close to the pivot as possible, but are not. Didn’t do anything well. It did come in a nice plastic box tho’.
 
Can I use this crimping tool for spade insulated and non-insulated terminals?
the whole point with crimping tools is that they should give quick, reliable, neat connections. This design does none of thes. A much easier way is to strip the wires, twist together, insulate with tape. Likely to give a much better job than a cheap crimper
 
Do you know, without doing any work or expending any time to find out, exactly what the criteria are to properly crimp the 3 sizes of insulated crimps ? That's die shape & size, size when fully closed, pressure needed, etc, etc ? No ? OK, there's your first bit of R from R&D.
Now, once you have that, you need to decide on the design of the tool. OK, there's a lot of tools out there that basically copy the first guy, but that design had to be done once, and any reputable manufacturer will do their own calcs.
Having done your outline design, you then need to determine the forces involved in the various parts - even if you only paid €5 for the tool, you'd be a bit peeved if it just mangled the first time you tried to use it. Again, most of the cheaper copies will be just copies without that bit, but any decent manufacturer will do their own to be sure - especially if it's something they are prepared to stick their name on ;) So there's your first bit of D from R&D.
Now you have to tool up to make them. Trust me, your attitude makes it clear that you have no concept whatsoever of what it costs to have press tooling made. If you did have a clue, you really would not be baulking at what many of us consider to be reasonable prices. Note my earlier post about the number of stampings needed for one tool - that's a lot of press tools to be made, and each tool has a limited life (tools stamping out 2-3mm steel sheet components do wear out). So that's a very big chunk of D - a VERY big chunk.
Then you need to gear up your production line. Setup the riveting tools, train the operators, and if it's even a half decent tool - the calibration stage. Another significant chunk of D.
Oh yes, there's the plastic injection moulding tools as well. Another chunk of D.
And in my earlier post I forgot about the packaging - a piece of printed cardboard and a vac-formed plastic shell.

So now, you've got the tooling in place, the parts are rolling off, the assembly line is working, and finally you have the finished item in your warehouse. You need to tell potential customers that you have them (kerching £), ship them out to wholesalers (kerching £), the wholesaler need to add their profit margin (kerching £), the wholesaler needs to tell their customers that they have them (kerching £), and they need to get them to the customers (kerching £). The customer in this case might be a retailer, in which case they have their own overheads to pay for (kerching £) and marketing costs (kerching £), and maybe postage to the end user (kerching £).

And if you got it wrong in those R&D stages, and even in some cases if you didn't, then you'll get warranty returns. There'll be replacement products and/or refunds - additional costs with no returns. get it badly wrong and that can kill a business stone dead - it's happened in the past :eek: So you need to build in a margin for "Oops" events.

Only if you ignore (I'll be generous and put it down to lack of knowledge) all these costs will you describe all these tools as rip offs.

Oh yes, Snap-On Tools were mentioned. Yup, they are "reassuringly expensive", but guess what - I own some Snap Ons (ooh err, missus) :D Any professional mechanic, a real professional at least, will tell you that good tools are worth the cost. Picture the scene ...
Customer brings in car for repair, and there's that b'stard of a seized bolt. Cheapskate mechanic uses his cheap socket set that doesn't quite fit properly - so now he had a second problem, not only is the bolt still stuck, but the corners are rounded off on the head. Professional mechanic uses his quality tool where the socket is the right shape & size - and while it may or may not shift the bolt (sometimes more drastic action is needed), at least it won't add to the problem.
I've seen situations where shifting a bolt has meant destroying a component. Sometimes it's been a case "do it properly at the first attempt and it might not have been needed". Destroying a component like that adds to the cost of the repair, and might mean a delay of a day or two getting a replacement. A friend of mine once did a job (in this case it was a "swap" - he fixed the plasterer's van, the plaster plastered his bathroom) that ended up like that. He ended up with the van stuck on his lift in the workshop for several days - which had a knock-on effect on his ability to work on other (paying) customers' vehicles. In this case, it wasn't poor tools that caused the problem, but it illustrates how simple things can escalate.
BTW - if you do manage to break a Snap On tool, they replace it - lifetime warranty.
gave that a winner as it's the longest post i seen since Lincoln's "State of the Union"
 
This billy-goat aint trip trip trottin' over this bridge,anymore... ;)
stop taking me back to my childhood. i had a bad experince as a child of 6. got caught by the fuzz, nicking wheels offa a Ford 10.

worst thing was... it' was my dad's car.
 
Just seen this thread and would add, for smaller size wires I use these:
Brilliant bit of kit and ideal for alarm wires and similar, just used about two dozen of the red ones on a smoke alarm instal, so much easier on multi strand wire.
 

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