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Went to a customer today who wanted some electrical work looking at. Turned up and he showed me a granny annexe he had wired himself. (He has assured me he has 30years experience in the industry) he now wants it testing and certifying and a part p certificate issuing. I’m not comfortable with putting my name to the install and doing an electrical installation certificate. What would you do in this situation and what are his options.
 
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Unless you were involved with the job you can’t really adopt it as your own...
I know people have do taken on near complete jobs and have seen this done but it’s not strictly correct

The guy should have really notified building control ahead of time not after the fact
 
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Would an EICR be the only way forward now as I can’t see any contractor signing the work off as their own. Would building control send someone out to do the relevant tests to get their part p certificate. Not sure what’s best to advice him going forward apart from stop being a tight arse and getting a spark in to begin with or if he is a spark get his own registration.
 
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There is a 3rd party certification scheme run by Napit and Stroma (I think).
From what I understand, you have to be registered with them to conduct 3rd party notifications, and the ‘certificate’ issued is some kind of EICR.
 
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Just quote for a EICR, if he accepts the quote just do that.
It's not your problem if the councill accept it or not, he needs to sort that out for himself.
You can't sign it off so that's a non starter.
 
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spinlondon said:
There is a 3rd party certification scheme run by Napit and Stroma (I think).
From what I understand, you have to be registered with them to conduct 3rd party notifications, and the ‘certificate’ issued is some kind of EICR.
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Yes

There is an option to employ a sparks to act as a 3rd party when it comes to notifying Diy electrical work.
However this should be done during the project so the sparks gets to see the wiring as well as the finished job.

This OP sounds like the job is all finished with no way to see the actual wiring.

You could in theory drop off all the accessories and do a thorough eicr and notify the job as your own , if the money is right
 
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Every other certificate apart from an eicr asks for designer, installer and tester. You can’t put your name to the first two.
Probably why the others are certificates and an eicr is only a report.

Agree with above. Do it as an eicr and it’s up to the customer to get his P

Just think about what would happen if you fully signed it off and there’s an incident soon.
Creeks and paddles spring to mind
 
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spinlondon said:
There is a 3rd party certification scheme run by Napit and Stroma (I think).
From what I understand, you have to be registered with them to conduct 3rd party notifications, and the ‘certificate’ issued is some kind of EICR.
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You can't even go down that path now it's too late.
The only test and inspection is an EICR.
Even with the EIC and he signs off design and construction parts you can do the testing but no inspection part. It' what you can't see.
 
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I take photos of my 1st fix so possibly the guy has done the same..
If not floor boards will need to be lifted for inspection.
This may well satisfy building control for the installation methods.
Design is easy enough to verify along with testing too.
Can’t do an EICR on a brand new installation that has never been certified to start with
 
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Charlie_ said:
I take photos of my 1st fix so possibly the guy has done the same..
If not floor boards will need to be lifted for inspection.
This may well satisfy building control for the installation methods.
Design is easy enough to verify along with testing too.
Can’t do an EICR on a brand new installation that has never been certified to start with
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Unfortunately that's how most BC offices approach the regularisation process.
 
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How are the Napit/Stroma 3rd Party certifiers covered, if they’re only testing and notifying the work without seeing how it was installed? Do Napit/Stroma exempt their 3rd party notifier contractors from any prosecution etc?
 
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Fitzy said:
How are the Napit/Stroma 3rd Party certifiers covered, if they’re only testing and notifying the work without seeing how it was installed? Do Napit/Stroma exempt their 3rd party notifier contractors from any prosecution etc?
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Both schemes insist that the third party signer is present from before the job commences. They must produce the design, inspect all cable routes at first fix, inspect at second fix and perform all testing.

For the record Stroma, my chosen scheme, say they only offer this service as the government request this through the requirements of the building regulations, but they don't encourage use of the third party scheme at all.
 
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Fitzy said:
How are the Napit/Stroma 3rd Party certifiers covered, if they’re only testing and notifying the work without seeing how it was installed? Do Napit/Stroma exempt their 3rd party notifier contractors from any prosecution etc?
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But they should be seeing it at the install stage.
 
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An EICR should not be used to certify new work, this is made clear in bs7671.

You could carry out the inspection and testing and and issue an EIC with the customers details and signature in the design and construction sections, you would only sign for inspection and testing.
But I wouldn't notify it for part P through a scheme, leave it for the customer to deal with building control directly.
 
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To be honest if the guy was genuinely in the trade 30 years he should know it is a legal requirement to inform BC at least 48hrs prior to starting work. The fact he has not would already make a lie of what he is saying. As stated by @Dustydazzler third party requires being in at the beginning and design as well as first fix and dead tests as you go. Stroma are very strict about this and have their own form for 3rd party and effectively you have to sign you have complied with their requirements. So no retrospective sign off is possible via that route.
 
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Can't see the problem if you are able to closely supervise the design, install with access to all aspects and test. You can then safely say its your installation....you wouldn't if it was a lash up. Similar to supervising a mate or apprentice.. presumably? There will be varying levels of competence and if its not there you'll be effectively doing the installation yourself due to the work involved in checking, testing and correcting and... charging accordingly :p
 
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davesparks said:
An EICR should not be used to certify new work, this is made clear in bs7671.

You could carry out the inspection and testing and and issue an EIC with the customers details and signature in the design and construction sections, you would only sign for inspection and testing.
But I wouldn't notify it for part P through a scheme, leave it for the customer to deal with building control directly.
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No one’s suggesting that an EICR can be used to certify work Dave (at least I'm not)
But what you can't do is issue an EIC now, that bird has already flown.
All that you can do is, at the client’s request, undertake an electrical inspection and issue an EICR. What the client does with it is entirely up to him.
 
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