“Domestic” Cable for Motor Applications

[Pete999]

Always good to ask questions on things you are unsure about. No harm in asking is there? Feel it would be wrong to advise a customer about things like this in the future unless I’m sure myself.



I didn’t say I had asked about “several things” so please don’t put words in my mouth in what seemed to be an attempt to belittle me. The past couple of questions I have asked them about were regarding JIB cards and ECS assessments so completely unrelated.

Thanks.

I don't think anyone is trying to belittle you Mate, it just seems odd that with your quals and experience you are asking questions that you should be aware of.

 

[AJshep]

It does sound like a strange install, ToonSparky.

It's not how I would install it anyway.
Anyway you didn't answer my question ?
The reason I asked those earlier is because it would give us more of an indication of the rest of the install.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

I don't think anyone is trying to belittle you Mate, it just seems odd that with your quals and experience you are asking questions that you should be aware of.

Thanks, Pete999. I may have took his comment in the wrong context so I apologise.

Like I said, I’m asking because it didn’t seem right to myself but the NIC assessor told me he didn’t see a problem with it, and his reply to my question when I asked him offered nowhere near as much feedback as what you guys have offered and that is all I was looking for which I appreciate.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

So Rotary isolator directly feeds and operates the motor, or is it some kind of unit with a motor incorperated ?
What size are the motors ?
Are they above 0.37kw ?
Any overload protection provided for the motors ?

Sorry, AJshep, I missed this.

Twin and earths from a distribution board fed from individual C curve MCBs, ranging from 6A to 20A I believe if I remember correctly, terminated into rotary isolators adjacent to the motor units with a twin and earth tail from the isolators into the motor connections.

 

[AJshep]

Sorry, AJshep, I missed this.

Twin and earths from a distribution board fed from individual C curve MCBs, ranging from 6A to 20A I believe if I remember correctly, terminated into rotary isolators adjacent to the motor units with a twin and earth tail from the isolators into the motor connections.

So no DOL or any form of overload protection for the motors either..
Id take a stab in the dark and say they are bigger than 370w.
Sounds like the person who installed it should have asked for advice or consulted the BS7671 first

Nobody knows everything, that's why we have the BS7671 for reference. Better to ask advice and get it right mate, so don't feel bad about asking for advice.
I think the guys on here are saying, sometimes it's down to you to make a Professional judgement. The information the NICEIC gave you about using T&E was probably right, but it would depend on various other factors, that you/we as skilled professionals would notice while we were on site.

From everything you described it doesn't comply.

 

[westward10]

What do you think ToonSparky about the way it is done. You have our opinions but what is yours.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

What do you think ToonSparky about the way it is done. You have our opinions but what is yours.

I personally wouldn’t have chosen to install the circuits the way they have been but that doesn’t mean to say the job has been done incorrectly.

 

[Pete999]

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I personally wouldn’t have chosen to install the circuits the way they have been but that doesn’t mean to say the job has been done incorrectly.

You still haven't answered the question"how d you intend to enter the isolator using twin and cpc?"

 

[ipf]

I personally wouldn’t have chosen to install the circuits the way they have been but that doesn’t mean to say the job has been done incorrectly.

It just goes to show that just completing a job that complies with regulations isn't necessarily the correct way to go about it. The advice gained from NICEIC regarding compliance is from someone who knows as much about the installation as we do. From the info given, it doesn't sound good to me, but the one in the best position is yourself.

 

[ipf]

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You still haven't answered the question"how d you intend to enter the isolator using twin and cpc?"

It's been done already, hasn't it, Pete?

 

[suffolkspark]

A few more questions if you don't mind..

1. As Pete asked, do the t/e cables just go through round compression glands?
2. You mention a couple of motors have been connected in SY cable; have correct glands been used?
3. What supports the t/e cables where they travel from the rotary isolators to the motors themselves or are they hard up against the wall?