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I agree mate. Thanks for input. Board change will take place then and replace the lot with plastic regardless.Without a cpc ADS cannot be complied with and the provision of an rcd cannot be relied upon in the absence of a cpc.
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I agree mate. Thanks for input. Board change will take place then and replace the lot with plastic regardless.Without a cpc ADS cannot be complied with and the provision of an rcd cannot be relied upon in the absence of a cpc.
Seriously? They are my parentsWhat you can do is walk away from the job and have nothing to do with it.
defeatist.What you can do is walk away from the job and have nothing to do with it.
That’s most definitely the sensible thing to do but I’m assuming it’s because A) the current board looks terrible and the fuseboard cover is not in the best condition and B) that in the very rare occasion the fuse blows , my dad has to replace the wire and he can’t be assed with itIf they don’t feel the need for any earth on the circuits why do they feel the need for a new fuse board
Might as well just leave everything alone and as it were...
I wouldn’t leave an unsafe condition but I can’t start chasing walls out to rewire if they don’t want me tooA note on a cert cannot excuse you from the responsibility of not doing your job properly or leaving an unsafe condition.
Is it a terraced house ?Anyone got any ideas on why there would be 3 phase going into a 3 bed house?
I wouldn’t leave an unsafe condition but I can’t start chasing walls out to rewire if they don’t want me too
I wouldn’t leave an unsafe condition but I can’t start chasing walls out to rewire if they don’t want me too
Replacing accessories or parts with plastic is not necessarily a resolution of the issue as these replacements would have to be deemed and identified as Class II. See Regulation 415.1.2I agree mate. Thanks for input. Board change will take place then and replace the lot with plastic regardless.
It is mate yes.Is it a terraced house ?
They are old enough as it is. I don’t wish to bring the part where I don’t get to see them anymore, any closer than is absolutely necessaryWhy not?
Wait till they go on holidays and then chase all the new cables in. By the time they return it will be ready for redecorating
Maybe that is the case but the regs usually advise to change what is “reasonably practicable” and If they won’t let me rewire then I can only make it as safe as possible without. If the screws are insulated, the fittings plastic and the circuit protected by an rcd then I think it will be extremely difficult for someone (even my father ) to receive an electric shockReplacing accessories or parts with plastic is not necessarily a resolution of the issue as these replacements would have to be deemed and identified as Class II. See Regulation 415.1.2
Good shout! That would then make sense as to why it’s 3 separate armoureds coming in. Doesn’t make sense to me why they would all come into one property though?Well the supply may be eves fed to the terrace to supply alternate houses on different phases .
Usually the distribution is on an end gable , but I have seen them distributed from inside a property
And then split to neighbours I meanGood shout! That would then make sense as to why it’s 3 separate armoureds coming in. Doesn’t make sense to me why they would all come into one property though?
Good shout! That would then make sense as to why it’s 3 separate armoureds coming in. Doesn’t make sense to me why they would all come into one property though?
Replacing accessories or parts with plastic is not necessarily a resolution of the issue as these replacements would have to be deemed and identified as Class II. See Regulation 415.1.2
Maybe that is the case but the regs usually advise to change what is “reasonably practicable” and If they won’t let me rewire then I can only make it as safe as possible without. If the screws are insulated, the fittings plastic and the circuit protected by an rcd then I think it will be extremely difficult for someone (even my father ) to receive an electric shock
I agree which is why I cited this Regulation.Further to this there are other requirements to using double or reinforced insulation as a protective measure.
What would you do if you were called to a customers house and were asked to do this work?.....I was referring to the lack of an earth on the lighting. If it’s not there and they won’t let me change it, what exactly can I do? Thanks for the input though
Not takin sides on this one but it's a fascinating conversation.
On one side you have the "I'm leaving it safer than i found it" argument.
And on the other side you have the "regulations don't allow you to do what you want to do" argument.
There is also the law of "who touched it last" to think about and unless you have faultlessly followed the regs then you're culpable.
All leads to installations being left in an unsafe condition where they could be left in a safer condition as people won't pay to have them made compliant.
There should be a spirit of "if its an improvement then it's allowed" within the regs.
The current methodology of "it's fully compliant or walk away" is leading to electricians being put in the unenviable position of having to carry out partially compliant work, that leaves the installation safer, and carry the risk of prosecution.
I've not fallen foul of this as private domestic is not my bag, but can see it being a real dilema for those that do.
There should be a spirit of "if its an improvement then it's allowed" within the regs.
The current methodology of "it's fully compliant or walk away" is leading to electricians being put in the unenviable position of having to carry out partially compliant work, that leaves the installation safer, and carry the risk of prosecution.
I've not fallen foul of this as private domestic is not my bag, but can see it being a real dilema for those that do.
I’ve been telling them this for over 10 years to no avail. They don’t want the mess which is understandable. They are both in their 60s so I can’t see them ever having it done.
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