Eicr codes

[MDJ]

That's fine, however, I phoned the NIC tech line a while back when quoting for an EICR at a school and he recomended that all socket outlets not rcd protected should be a C2

Yes these inspectors like to make up their own rules regarding testing of existing installations, I don,t doubt he did say that fella.

Mike

 

[odawire]

When did NIC write the regs?? Is it still green ?

Yea I know, just adding that FYI

 

[oldtimer]

First off I wont be sued for giving my professional opinion, and im basing it on the old periodic guidance of socket outlets supplying equipment out doors, although I have seen other guidance that call it as "improvement recommended"

I have got bad news for you , you and I are not professionals in the eyes of the law we are tradesmen so now that your feet are back on the ground you cannot issue a C2 for no RCD protection on sockets if the installation complies with the regs. Now you are correct about guidance or a recommendation so all you can do is C3 or in the old PIR C4 but you cannot fail it.

This is the very thing I am going on about were cannot force the customer to upgrade to RCD protection as a previous post says what would you do for a 3036 board we cannot backdate the regs the same as a garage cannot force you to fit airbags because new cars have them but older cars do not . This is not hard be advised that the customer is more savvy than you think thats why when I am asked I am honest and say well you are not legally obliged to change the CU in the property you are renting but it would be advisable to have this done along with mains smoke detectors but at the end of the day it is the owner/landlords shout but there is one thing for sure I am not going to get sued for misrepresentation .

Failing an installation for having no RCD protection to force the customer to put a new CU in is deception and will leave you wide open

 

[odawire]

Yes these inspectors like to make up their own rules regarding testing of existing installations, I don,t doubt he did say that fella.

Mike

He wasn't an inspector actually, he told me his main business was EICR's but I know what you mean, that's why I find this industry so interesting, so many things are open to peoples interpretation and its interesting how different that can be sometimes

 

[MDJ]

Failing an installation for having no RCD protection to force the customer to put a new CU in is deception and will leave you wide open

Very well said Fella.

 

[odawire]

I have got bad news for you , you and I are not professionals in the eyes of the law we are tradesmen so now that your feet are back on the ground you cannot issue a C2 for no RCD protection on sockets if the installation complies with the regs. Now you are correct about guidance or a recommendation so all you can do is C3 or in the old PIR C4 but you cannot fail it.

This is the very thing I am going on about were cannot force the customer to upgrade to RCD protection as a previous post says what would you do for a 3036 board we cannot backdate the regs the same as a garage cannot force you to fit airbags because new cars have them but older cars do not . This is not hard be advised that the customer is more savvy than you think thats why when I am asked I am honest and say well you are not legally obliged to change the CU in the property you are renting but it would be advisable to have this done along with mains smoke detectors but at the end of the day it is the owner/landlords shout but there is one thing for sure I am not going to get sued for misrepresentation .

Failing an installation for having no RCD protection to force the customer to put a new CU in is deception and will leave you wide open

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I don't agree with you at all there, I class myself as a professional engineer, an theres no reasonable way I could be sued for my opinion, the electrical safety council best practise guide 3 recommends a C2 code. And im not forcing anyone to upgrade to RCD protection im just telling them the way I see it. Actually, if anything id be more worried about being sued for saying it is satisfactory when the guidance says it isn't. And in regards to smoke detectors, I don't see what that has to do with electrical safety.

 

[ipf]

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I don't agree with you at all there, I class myself as a professional engineer, an theres no reasonable way I could be sued for my opinion, the electrical safety council best practise guide 3 recommends a C2 code. And im not forcing anyone to upgrade to RCD protection im just telling them the way I see it. Actually, if anything id be more worried about being sued for saying it is satisfactory when the guidance says it isn't. And in regards to smoke detectors, I don't see what that has to do with electrical safety.

So it's a 'fail' and that's it, eh?

 

[bigbaddave]

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I don't agree with you at all there, I class myself as a professional engineer, an theres no reasonable way I could be sued for my opinion, the electrical safety council best practise guide 3 recommends a C2 code. And im not forcing anyone to upgrade to RCD protection im just telling them the way I see it. Actually, if anything id be more worried about being sued for saying it is satisfactory when the guidance says it isn't. And in regards to smoke detectors, I don't see what that has to do with electrical safety.

Sorry but I dont aggree on that one at all.. C2 if meaning a fail.. I fail to see how you can deem every socket without RCD protection a fail..

 

[Silly Sausage]

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I don't agree with you at all there, I class myself as a professional engineer, an theres no reasonable way I could be sued for my opinion, the electrical safety council best practise guide 3 recommends a C2 code. And im not forcing anyone to upgrade to RCD protection im just telling them the way I see it. Actually, if anything id be more worried about being sued for saying it is satisfactory when the guidance says it isn't. And in regards to smoke detectors, I don't see what that has to do with electrical safety.

No it doesn't!

Read it again...only for bath/shower locations.

 

[oldtimer]

He wasn't an inspector actually, he told me his main business was EICR's but I know what you mean, that's why I find this industry so interesting, so many things are open to peoples interpretation and its interesting how different that can be sometimes

odawire failing an installation on a C2 for no RCD protection is not an interpretation its is wrong thing is like the traffic warden syndrome some people think they have the power of God they when they issue documentation they must stick to the regs

 

[ipf]

No it doesn't!

Even if it did, a recommendation isn't a reg.

 

[oldtimer]

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I don't agree with you at all there, I class myself as a professional engineer, an theres no reasonable way I could be sued for my opinion, the electrical safety council best practise guide 3 recommends a C2 code. And im not forcing anyone to upgrade to RCD protection im just telling them the way I see it. Actually, if anything id be more worried about being sued for saying it is satisfactory when the guidance says it isn't. And in regards to smoke detectors, I don't see what that has to do with electrical safety.

Odawire read the the mails the majority is saying the same thing and yes you can be sued can I ask if you have professional indemnity insurance ? you may view yourself as a Professional but in the eyes of the law your a Technically Compitent Person or a Tradesman plus the smoke detector reference is the same for rental properties on the grounds of safety it is advisable to put it in but no maditory.

 

[Toonlad]

I was about to post war and peace here, but the reply i would have gotten would be TLDR. so ive ammended to this.

 

[bigbaddave]

Tldr??

 

[jamie-spark]

No it doesn't!

Read it again...only for bath/shower locations.

Mmm it looks to me like they are suggesting a code 2 archy check out the page 13 at the bottom

 

[Lee Marshall]

nothing is mandatory is it. if someone doesn't want something done then they wont get it done, but you cant go around failing things that should just be recommendations just to get work!

On another similar topic, what would you give an immersion heater without thermal cut out? C2, C3? Would it be a c2 if it was only form of water heating and c3 if its not used unless boiler packs up?

what do you all think?

 

[glasgospark]

Amazing how many people seem to think when carrying out an EICR the Installation has to meet current regs.

my thoughts exactly ,tell your mate to look at page 80 GN3 sounds like he needs a refresher or even a FRESHER

 

[glasgospark]

No ones mentioned rcd for socket outlets, is it a house or flat? if its a house then Id say non rcd protection of the sockets is a C2, everything else sounds ok, I hope the cheeky sod tightened up the water bond before he left.

no rcd presence is a C3

 

[GLENNSPARK]

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I don't agree with you at all there, I class myself as a professional engineer, an theres no reasonable way I could be sued for my opinion, the electrical safety council best practise guide 3 recommends a C2 code. And im not forcing anyone to upgrade to RCD protection im just telling them the way I see it. Actually, if anything id be more worried about being sued for saying it is satisfactory when the guidance says it isn't. And in regards to smoke detectors, I don't see what that has to do with electrical safety.

and just how the hell is a lack of additional protection by means of RCD a 2 eh?
only if no supplementary bonding is present.....
then the lack of either would be a 2....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

no rcd presence is a C3

no it isn`t....you would note it...not code it....
get a grip will ya....