EICR Limitations

davesparks · Apr 19, 2015

polo1 said:
It is the case that there is increasing pressure to minimise live testing,

What pressure from who? I've not yet experienced any pressure to minimise live testing.

polo1 · Apr 19, 2015

davesparks said:
What pressure from who? I've not yet experienced any pressure to minimise live testing.

The schemes, HSE & insurers. Maybe encouragement rather than pressure. Tbh, my practice until last year was always to measure Zs, now I mostly calculate.

Plonker 3 · Apr 19, 2015

polo1 said:
The schemes, HSE & insurers. Maybe encouragement rather than pressure. Tbh, my practice until last year was always to measure Zs, now I mostly calculate.

You got any references from HSE or insurance companies saying that? Not fussed about the scams as they dont really know what they are doing.

Leesparkykent · Apr 19, 2015

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg354.pdf

haven't read it but this is the what the HSE has to say on testing.

polo1 · Apr 19, 2015

Dillb said:
You got any references from HSE or insurance companies saying that? Not fussed about the scams as they dont really know what they are doing.

I'll have a look at my last PL/PI quote as it was either written there or spoken about at the time of renewal. HSE was verbal - they were on a site I was on in Jan (for another reason!), but were chatting to me when they saw me testing. Commented specifically about measuring Zs at lighting, working off steps.

Plonker 3 · Apr 19, 2015

Verbal means nothing. It needs to be printed like the link Lee has posted which says live testing can be carried out.

NDG Elecs · Apr 20, 2015

Whatever has happened to personal responsibility. Let's all not do anything anymore. Yes ok, the HSE have really sharp teeth, but as an electrician carrying out EICRs you have to make the call as to what needs testing and to what extent and also what needs inspecting. If, as an inspector, you feel standing on some steps holding your probes like chopsticks whilst pressing a test button is tricky then maybe get some of the socket and see type fittings that can go into the lamp holders with your test leads plugged in. Foregoing Zs testing due to an artexed ceiling, I mean come on!

I agree with a percentage internal inspection sample rate, with the percentage variable depending on findings.

Looking at the OP again I have mixed up points 1&2 a little, but the conclusion is the same! You should reasonably be able to gain access to the majority of lighting points to test them.

SirKit Breaker · Apr 20, 2015

It isn't limitations! it is extent. There is a key difference.

Extent, this is the amount of the installation you are going to inspect and test, based on agreement with client, and your findings from your initial walkround.

Limitations. this is again agreed with your client, and it covers what you can and can't do, for whatever reasons that maybe. This is your get out clause when your client says "You can't test this or that because", and then next week it all goes bang, you can reply "Nowt to do with me cobber".

It is extremely important that the Extent and Limitations are clearly agreed, understood and recorded, otherwise you leave yourself open to "Where theres a blame theres a claim.

Enjoy :37:

Cheers..................Howard