I totally get why a lot of 'real' electricians are pi**ed off about people getting Part P and thinking they're electricians. I am well aware it is NOT an electricians qualification, it is purely building regulations awareness to meet a certain level of understanding.
I apologise on behalf of everyone who is misled or naive enough to think otherwise.
I also understand how aggravating it is that training providers are advising new students (like me) that all you need to be a domestic electric installer is Part P & 17th and to join a competency scheme. To these people, I' like to say a big F*** Y**!
I think you need to realise you have been sold a pup the 17th edition course is an add on course to core qualifications and only teaches you how to read and use a book and then answer questions about it while still reading it, take a look at the course requirements on the C&G site it's a pity the C&G don't stand by them it would solve a lot of problems on here with acrimonious posts from people who don't think they are being treated fairly
What I dislike is the blatant disregard to people like me and segregating the 'real' from (the 'fake') those who are getting their Part P and 17th to better themselves and maybe open a doorway into becoming a better trades person (or the start of their electrician career).
It's not only discouraging, it's near on bullying.
I just don't think you get it, what do you expect from a course lasting lasting a few weeks when a lot on here have done 150 - 300 weeks or more training to become QUALIFIED
I'm a member of the Tiling and Plumbing sister forums and you don't see those people slagging off those who are getting City & Guilds qualified with technical certs (like me) and going out trading as a plumber, even without much experience. Yes they have had a couple of posts regarding the technical certs, but they're short lived and all that remains is those same people being encouraging and supportive.
You have a high opinion of the 2393 and 2382 unfortunately on here you may have noticed we don't
Being encouraging and supportive I would suggest some further study take a look at the C&G 2357 or 2365
Yes, I do understand that it's annoying/frustrating/infuriating and it makes light of your profession, but instead of beating these people down, why not do something positive and, oh I dunno, help them to become better at what they want to do? After all, isn't this what forums are for? To share problems, to learn, to share with others who are in the same field?
See above
I'm disappointed by my short lived experience of this forum and only hope it isn't always like this because I really like the other two portals.
By the way, if any of you fully fledged electricians are in the London area, I'm looking for a 1 day a week placement. I don't suppose anyone would be kind enough to let me tag a long to some jobs, would you? haha
Think you may have shot yourself in the foot
Understood. Completely. But the same principle applies. And gas kills people all the time, they're just on top of it where they're not with the electrical industry.
As a plumber have you got a gas qualification if not why not, I believe gas safe like their scheme members to have "real" qualifications to support their membership and prove competence. The electrical industry is the victim of poor knee jerk legislation of the previous government that has opened the floodgates and lowered the industry standards and spawned a whole new money making juggernaut of which you have become a part
But separating people on a forum based by level of competency is a tad harsh.
What is competence and how do you or anybody else measure it if it is by qualification what is the required standard to be an "Electrician"
I'd like to know I can ask questions on here and feel confident I'll get an encouraging reply. Not read a barrage of 'oh here's another one' replies.
If you are asking college level questions then you will get short shrift
I want to learn. I'm not in it for a quick buck. The only way I can learn and get experience is from experienced electricians.
You can also learn from studying for a core qualification (see earlier comment) if you are serious