Health and safety guidance - Northern Ireland

[aaroncappa]

Ok well I have got legal advice and I have done my own research on all of this for months now. I am in contact with many who have done this themselves.

There is NO law that states we can't install our own meter (done by qualified engineer of course) and there is NO law that states we "must" pay for electricity either.

Also we must understand the difference between LAW and LEGAL!

Statutes and Acts aren't LAW. They only apply to "PERSON'S"

I am a "living man" not a person. It would do you well if you looked up the definitions of these words and the language that is used to deceive us.

I am NOT crazy, and I am not bullshitting either. I am talking FACTS. I can assure you or I wouldn't be asking these questions.

The performance to pay energy companies who aren't actually suppliers but in fact "BROKERS" is by definition FRAUD.

They are committing fraud and they get away with it because we give consent. That consent is implied. It is given through IGNORANCE. It is presumed.

There is a massive difference between PUBLIC and PRIVATE.

Maybe I have chosen the wrong forum to ask these questions. But it seems it was a good place to ask since I am no electrician. However I do know the difference between LAW and LEGAL fiction.

Thanks for the replies anyhow.

 

[davesparks]

There is NO law that states we can't install our own meter (done by qualified engineer of course) and there is NO law that states we "must" pay for electricity either.

Indeed, there is in fact a law which states you can supply your own meter to be installed by a suitably qualified and registered person and tbe energy company must accept this meter, the meter must comply with the current standards for accuracy and traceability.

And no, there is no law that states you must pay for electricty, you are free to choose not to use any electricty and cannot be forced into using electricty. However if you do choose to use electricity from the national grid you need to pay for it via your chosen supplier.

Do you also assume you can take other energy supplies without paying for them? Do you fill up your personal conveyance with fuel and not pay for it? (I assume from the tone of your post that you believe yourself to be a living man who uses a personal conveyance and not a person who owns a vehicle)

 

[pirate]

"Also we must understand the difference between LAW and LEGAL!
Statutes and Acts aren't LAW. They only apply to "PERSON'S"
I am a "living man" not a person"

Just so I can get my head round this...Statutes and Acts aren't Law. If the Government passes an Act, doesn't this become Law?
Don't some Acts apply to the people and some to Companies and other incoporated bodies, and some to everybody and all entities? Thus, such Acts apply to people/persons regardless of how they choose to identify themselves. After all, "person" is a term used extensively in Legislation to encompass living men, living women, living children, firms,companies,charitable organisations and generally every "body" capable of being identified as (an) Individual entity.
Thus, I can't see how, by choosing to define yourself as a "living man" you can escape/ignore the Law. If that were possible, every person/body/individual could choose to identify as a "living man" and not be subject to the Law. I think you would agree that that would be an impossible society. If I, as a person, drive my car recklessly and kill another person, I have broken several Laws, but that would not be the case if you, a living man, drove your personal conveyance in the same manner, with the same result...thus you are effectively saying that laws don't apply to you.

You do not have to pay for electricity, unless you choose to use some.
You do not have to buy groceries at your local store, but by filling your basket there you do have to pay.
As soon as you put an item into your basket, with the intention of taking it away, you have appropriated such item to the implied contract you have made with the store. Failure to pay is then theft, an offence punishable under the Law.
As you stated, consent is implied, and even though you may not have a written contract with,say,an electricity supplier, perhaps because you "inherited" an existing supply when you moved into a house, there is still an implied contract whereby if you avail yourself of the supply then you must pay for what you use.

If such a situation doesn't apply to you, why would you need an additional electricity meter, given you appear to think that the Law doesn't apply to you and therefore you don't need to pay anything?

 

[Deleted account]

Yes wrong forum. Either a legal forum or a mental health forum May have been better.

 

[DPG]

This has got all the hallmarks of one of those people you get on Facebook who claim they can opt out of policing by consent and who look for ways of being awkward by copying & pasting things that other similar folk have posted. They like the words statute, yeoman, etc. And I'm loving the 'person' / 'living man' thing!

If you think you can get free electricity, gas, water, whatever then good luck to you. Bit unfair on the companies who produce it though - would YOU work for nothing? And it's a bit selfish when the rest of us pay.

 

[aaroncappa]

"Also we must understand the difference between LAW and LEGAL!
Statutes and Acts aren't LAW. They only apply to "PERSON'S"
I am a "living man" not a person"

Just so I can get my head round this...Statutes and Acts aren't Law. If the Government passes an Act, doesn't this become Law?
Don't some Acts apply to the people and some to Companies and other incoporated bodies, and some to everybody and all entities? Thus, such Acts apply to people/persons regardless of how they choose to identify themselves. After all, "person" is a term used extensively in Legislation to encompass living men, living women, living children, firms,companies,charitable organisations and generally every "body" capable of being identified as (an) Individual entity.
Thus, I can't see how, by choosing to define yourself as a "living man" you can escape/ignore the Law. If that were possible, every person/body/individual could choose to identify as a "living man" and not be subject to the Law. I think you would agree that that would be an impossible society. If I, as a person, drive my car recklessly and kill another person, I have broken several Laws, but that would not be the case if you, a living man, drove your personal conveyance in the same manner, with the same result...thus you are effectively saying that laws don't apply to you.

You do not have to pay for electricity, unless you choose to use some.
You do not have to buy groceries at your local store, but by filling your basket there you do have to pay.
As soon as you put an item into your basket, with the intention of taking it away, you have appropriated such item to the implied contract you have made with the store. Failure to pay is then theft, an offence punishable under the Law.
As you stated, consent is implied, and even though you may not have a written contract with,say,an electricity supplier, perhaps because you "inherited" an existing supply when you moved into a house, there is still an implied contract whereby if you avail yourself of the supply then you must pay for what you use.

If such a situation doesn't apply to you, why would you need an additional electricity meter, given you appear to think that the Law doesn't apply to you and therefore you don't need to pay anything?

Show me where I signed the contract! Statutes and Acts aren't law. They are leglislation. LAW is made by living men and women. Not DEAD FICTIONAL ENTITIES! If you can't work out that. Then you are the definition of a slave. And no where does it say a man "must" pay anything.

 

[aaroncappa]

This has got all the hallmarks of one of those people you get on Facebook who claim they can opt out of policing by consent and who look for ways of being awkward by copying & pasting things that other similar folk have posted. They like the words statute, yeoman, etc. And I'm loving the 'person' / 'living man' thing!

If you think you can get free electricity, gas, water, whatever then good luck to you. Bit unfair on the companies who produce it though - would YOU work for nothing? And it's a bit selfish when the rest of us pay.

Where is the evidence they produce it?

They transmit and distribute it. You need to know the meanings of the words you use. Clearly you don't know the difference. You don't opt out of consent either. Have you any idea how stupid that is. Consent is a choice. It can't be given by anyone except I, a living man. It's not decided by anyone else. Slave mentality comes to mind again.

 

[westward10]

Can everyone calm down or this thread will be gone. Not sure what it is all about anyway.

 

[DPG]

Where is the evidence they produce it?

They transmit and distribute it. You need to know the meanings of the words you use. Clearly you don't know the difference. You don't opt out of consent either. Have you any idea how stupid that is. Consent is a choice. It can't be given by anyone except I, a living man. It's not decided by anyone else. Slave mentality comes to mind again.

Oh my word, there's a guy ranting on a Facebook police page with almost identical wording. Do you all get this stuff from the same website? Why do you need to use the term 'living man'? What does this signify in your world.

And you are saying the power generating companies do not generate power? Not sure I'm with you there. And I do know the difference between generation and transmission by the way.

Obviously you are free to generate your own electricity and use it as you wish. But if you take something that someone else is producing (or distributing) then you cannot expect them to do it for free.

Oh and give it a rest with all the capitalisation - we're grown ups here and it comes across as a bit patronising.

 

[ferg]

The meter is just a measuring device, all it does is count the number of units you are using.
Who owns it does not affect how many units you are using nor does it alter the cost per unit.

I don't understand law nor do I understand quantum physics so I tend to follow conventional wisdom.

In your case that would be, if you use it you pay for it.

It is possible to generate your own electricity. How easy this would be depends on your location and your financial means.