How many eicr in a day

[magnoliafan89]

Hi guys whats your take of how many EICRs can be done properly in a day average of 5 to 8 circuits ranging from 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses?? This would also include travel and also doing any repairs whilst there?

 

[cloverman]

You can't really foretell what faults you are going to find or repairs needed to put the installation in a satisfactory condition so very hard to judge unless you have some prior knowledge of installations you are attending.

 

[bigspark17]

I would say 2 semi detached 3 bed houses a day is achievable with report done including observation sheet. This would be testing only and no repairs unless very very minor.
£125-£150+vat per test.

 

[magnoliafan89]

I'm asking as my work want us to move to 3 full tests a day (one lad likes to brag he can do 5 or more) but this also includes repairs like open circuits (in social housing so believe me tenants have lots of furniture or crap and aren't helpful at moving it) or smashed sockets etc.
I was thinking 2 a day and repairs would seem more logical

 

[SparkyChick]

Based on my personal experience of social housing testers, when ever our place gets done the guy's in and out within the hour (might explain why they missed the open earth on one of the rings which I found approx. 7 years after it was first installed whilst changing the board as a result of a melty melty neutral bar).

 

[davesparks]

Hi guys whats your take of how many EICRs can be done properly in a day average of 5 to 8 circuits ranging from 1 bed flats to 3 bed houses?? This would also include travel and also doing any repairs whilst there?

How long is a piece of string?
If you are including repairs then I would say to do it properly one property per day, or possibly one property in two days if there are a lot of remedials to be done.

 

[littlespark]

5 a day? No problem. Just drive by, sit in maccys car park to write up.

Even a team of two, doing two a day is pushing it.
quick visual, global IR to earth only.... ze, rcd tests, check switches work. Write down a lot of limitations cos you’re not moving furniture. Cup of tea, if the cups clean.....
I wouldn’t be signing any report done like that.

 

[magnoliafan89]

I'm glad I'm not alone then in thinking its a load of tosh. I've never been happy with more than 2. I like to take my time make sure I observe everything and fill the cert in perfectly because at the end of the day its my name on it and if I rushed to get loads done and missed something and then something bad happened....would my company stand behind me...i got more chance of meeting churchill

 

[davesparks]

I think the fastest EICR I have done was a vacant 1 bed flat recently which took only a couple of hours.
But it was completely empty, spotless and only 7 years old and only had a couple of C3s so received a satisfactory overall assessment.

I reckon I could have done 4 identical flats in the same building properly in a day if they were all empty and in good condition

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I did 2 today, one was a 5 bed HMO recently rewired, only 2 students left, property practically bare, could whip around testing at speed. Consumer Unit well wired and not messy. Started 9:30 finished by 1pm
Afternoon did an EICR on an empty 2 bed flat. again being empty I could test quite quickly. Started 1:15 finished just after 4pm This was a lot older with messy board and sockets that didnt like coming off with old mangled screws.
Spent an hour this evening finishing the reports, do most on site with the tablet using electraforn.
It can be done but is very much property specific and dependent on what you find when you arrive. if they are occupied then it can be slower.

 

[radiohead]

It also depends on what you call a day. I've found those who claim to do twice the realistic amount of work in a day are starting at 7am and finishing at 8pm. That's a day and a half, not a day.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Well I don't know about everyone else, but a complete EICR will take me two days, every box filled and all the documents printed, 100% test.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Big company I used to do some testing & inspections for they allowed roughly 30 mins per circuit to test and inspect. This did not include any repair work...So if it was an old house with say a 6 way fuse box they would expect a PIR on that house completed in roughly 3 hours and written up on site then move onto the next house.
this was 100% testing where practically possible but no moving any big bulky furnitur.
so based on that it would be 2 houses per day And home by 4pm

 

[Wilko]

Hi - Sometimes it’s a long day to do just one and I’ve never achieved 3 in a day. But that’s just me.

 

[Vortigern]

I would like to follow the guy who can do 5 a day. We all need our 5 a day apparently. I guess I would find a load of stuff that was missed. But then that is standard procedure. Maybe the young ones don't feel as worried as us older ones that omissions could lead to serious injury or death. As to the testing part, inspection is more looking and checking than testing so much. I was (indirectly via another spark) offered the same type of work with the same requirements. This was from a large housing maintenance group. They had sacked the guy like you @magnoliafan89 because he was finding too much work to do! They wanted people who got the forms filled, and as explained to me the guy was winking at the spark who offered me the work. Of course I jumped at the opportunity to distance myself from such an unholy offer. Lack of ethics lies at the bottom of the 3 a day.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I always allow a day for a domestic EICR, no matter the size. 95% of the ones I carry out are social housing so if I get finished a couple of hours earlier I can usually get a couple of the observations done with my spare time to finish the day off knowing they will send me back to get a satisfactory cert anyway. You never know what your going to find in the house furniture and cleanliness wise. There’s always a couple of observations to do, or even swapping the smokes as there close to expiration.

 

[Zerax]

Of course I jumped at the opportunity to distance myself from such an unholy offer. Lack of ethics lies at the bottom of the 3 a day.

But sadly... they'll be a queue of people happy to do it in your place...

 

[magnoliafan89]

I would like to follow the guy who can do 5 a day. We all need our 5 a day apparently. I guess I would find a load of stuff that was missed. But then that is standard procedure. Maybe the young ones don't feel as worried as us older ones that omissions could lead to serious injury or death. As to the testing part, inspection is more looking and checking than testing so much. I was (indirectly via another spark) offered the same type of work with the same requirements. This was from a large housing maintenance group. They had sacked the guy like you @magnoliafan89 because he was finding too much work to do! They wanted people who got the forms filled, and as explained to me the guy was winking at the spark who offered me the work. Of course I jumped at the opportunity to distance myself from such an unholy offer. Lack of ethics lies at the bottom of the 3 a day.

I know just what you mean. Unfortunately the lad doing 5 a day is actually older than me lol.
I was happy plodding along doing it the old way
I know how it'll play out though theyd rather listen to the guy who can do 5 drive bys thus meaning more work is essentially ticked off instead of actually allowing us to carry out good quality work.

 

[Mike Johnson]

"They" have a responsibility to Health and Safety to their clients and someone in the organisation is responsible for that, have a word with them it may scare "they" enough to do something about it.

 

[richy3333]

5 a day? No problem. Just drive by, sit in maccys car park to write up.

Even a team of two, doing two a day is pushing it.
quick visual, global IR to earth only.... ze, rcd tests, check switches work. Write down a lot of limitations cos you’re not moving furniture. Cup of tea, if the cups clean.....
I wouldn’t be signing any report done like that.

Totally agree with my southern friend.

£125-£150 per property = race to the bottom IMHO

 

[JBW175]

I'd rather charge a reasonable price, do a thorough job and have a clear conscience, than be that cheap. Even if that means missing out on work....

The customers not getting value for money imo; by paying prices that cheap they're getting a rushed job, full of LIM & NV that could potentially be dangerous.

 

[Andy78]

At my pace and thoroughness I aim for 1-2 domestic inspections a day max 3 bed house, max 8 circuits per house.
This would not include remedials. As said above, any repair work could take any amount of time so is impossible to factor in.

The most I have ever done is 3-4 a day. These were one bed properties of identical format, pre arranged access, 4 circuits per property, 2 men testing and no remedial work.

Mr 5 a day will be doing a few Zs and RCD tests and possibly look behind a couple of sockets. By the time the paperwork is done that's all there is time for.

 

[SparkyAndGeorge]

We were expected to do 4 a day whilst working for a nationwide council contractor.

 

[Mike Johnson]

It's a shame an EICR does not come under the CDM Regulations the client who forces four a day on a contractor could be taken to task by the HSE for not allowing a reasonable time for the work to be carried out.

 

[Dustydazzler]

If anyone wanted 5 houses done a day it would only be a quick visual inspection of the board & visible accessories , no furniture moved , no going in the loft and Only a quick Ze at the board And Zs test On one point of each circuit (Plus rcd test if they have one).
could do that in about an hour then 45 mins to write it up and onto the next house...

 

[Baddegg]

An inevitable consequence for the donut putting his mane to these 5 certs is is the next manger in will want better performance and the work load will keep going up till he breaks, let him crack on with!....

 

[Dustydazzler]

An inevitable consequence for the donut putting his mane to these 5 certs is is the next manger in will want better performance and the work load will keep going up till he breaks, let him crack on with!....

just like the knuckleheads who profess to being able to 1st fix a new house in a day...
They Are just screwing themselves

 

[Mike Johnson]

Thinking about it a bit more, why would the work carried out by an Electrician not be covered by the CDM Regulations, it does stand for "Construction Design and Management" and apply to all Domestic work, could be an interesting test case, I nominate ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Vortigern]

Effectively then, things are moving (moved?) toward Exceptionally Inadequate Condition Report. Just tick the boxes and unless there is smoke coming out of the CU give it a pass. Due to legal requirements and stingy LLs. their is no real intent to check whether the installation is in a condition for continued use. Maybe things should change so the LIM and NV are not acceptable anymore. I have seen forms with LIM all over them. In one case it was because the DB was halfway between a suspended ceiling and the room so they could not even open the door. I had to rectify and re-inspect that one!

 

[ferg]

Effectively then, things are moving (moved?) toward Exceptionally Inadequate Condition Report. Just tick the boxes and unless there is smoke coming out of the CU give it a pass. Due to legal requirements and stingy LLs. their is no real intent to check whether the installation is in a condition for continued use. Maybe things should change so the LIM and NV are not acceptable anymore. I have seen forms with LIM all over them. In one case it was because the DB was halfway between a suspended ceiling and the room so they could not even open the door. I had to rectify and re-inspect that one!

Is smoke a fail?
Bugger ! I better change todays paperwork.

 

[Zerax]

The harsh reality is... that we can all moan about this all day long... but nothing will change. The only way the quality of EICRs will improve is if we start to have some prosecutions.

You only have to look at the total inaction against recent shenanigans with criminal damage to statues, or rioters in Brixton etc. to realise that any formal action against poor quality EICRs is never gonna happen.

 

[Baddegg]

All any one with any conscience can do is carry on doing them properly to the best of ya abilities....and if you lose trade to the drive by cowboys let em have it! ?

 

[hasel5]

Just started to be contacted to do a few by local estate agents when I say £300 you can hear them fall over but Hey ho there prob not mine.

 

[cloverman]

The sad bit about all of this is that's it's not the company who will suffer, But the poor bugger who is daft enough to put his/her signature on the paperwork as the responsible person !!! You are the one that they will come hunting for if disaster strikes.

 

[Baddegg]

One I had last year was a small Chinese takeaway.....the amount of faults I picked up was ridiculous.....he paid me anyways for the report and then just went with another spark who basically found nothing wrong......cheaper than getting me to repair all faults.....crazy times man ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

When I have the time I am going to contact the APS (Association of Project Safety) to see if they can do something under the CDM Regs.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Is smoke a fail?
Bugger ! I better change todays paperwork.

smoke is fine and just a c3 in my book , it’s Flames and sparks that you want to keep an eye out for....

 

[Baddegg]

People running and screaming just about edges me to C3.....ish

 

[pc1966]

People running and screaming just about edges me to C3.....ish

Yes, but only if it is someone you know...

 

[Zerax]

I've just had some annual Gas Safety Certificates done... £65 each... and he's in and out within an hour. Single page cerificate. That's gotta be a better business to be in than doing EICRs ?

 

[UNG]

I've just had some annual Gas Safety Certificates done... £65 each... and he's in and out within an hour. Single page cerificate. That's gotta be a better business to be in than doing EICRs ?

There's cowboys in the Gassafe scheme, my nephew recently bought a house that looked good on the surface to him and his girlfriend but from the estate agents pictures I worked out it needed a rewire. So after completion me and a mate of mine rock up to start the rewire after a bad start due to the number of other problems we find they decide to gut the kitchen, they wanted some of the pipework from the upstairs radiators to the boiler and the hot and cold water pipes moving so we got roped into that only to find that the plumber who fitted the combi boiler had plumbed the hot and cold to the boiler the wrong way round my mate suggested doing a drop test on the gas and yes the plumber had manged to sign off a gas tightness test and not notice that the fire in the lounge was faulty
Going back a few years my M-I-L had a gas fire serviced after the first visit my S-I-L smelt gas when she called round, after 2 more visits to fix it and still getting a smell of gas finaly the fourth guy fixed it properly after identifying there was an o ring missing so four different gassafe engineers and only one found the problem and the first one left site having created the leak
Gassafe for me is another one of those organisations that does not have a lot of credibility

 

[Baddegg]

I bought a house a few years back now, corgi scheme then, new boiler fitted and an old gas pipe under the floor had been termites by folding it back a few times!

 

[Dustydazzler]

I've just had some annual Gas Safety Certificates done... £65 each... and he's in and out within an hour. Single page cerificate. That's gotta be a better business to be in than doing EICRs ?

65£ you got ripped off

my local plumber is offering currently offering them for 25£ a pop

and a boiler service for 40£

 

[jay sean]

I worked for a small company who worked for a Housing Association, i was told to do 3 a day, I just got 1 a day test and repairs.
Sad to say I left and that company has gone bust

 

[Mike Johnson]

Have any of you been in touch with your scheme provider to ask for guidance on how long an EICR should take?

 

[Baddegg]

Have any of you been in touch with your scheme provider to ask for guidance on how long an EICR should take?

Shouldn’t imagine they care....they don’t make any money out of it....?

 

[davesparks]

I've just had some annual Gas Safety Certificates done... £65 each... and he's in and out within an hour. Single page cerificate. That's gotta be a better business to be in than doing EICRs ?

Have any of you been in touch with your scheme provider to ask for guidance on how long an EICR should take?

Why would anyone do that? It's none of their business how long an EICR takes, their concern is only, supposedly, the quality of the EICR.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Any scheme provider has a duty of care for any documents provided in their name, therefor they should provide guidance for the preparation of said documents and the time period necessary to carry out that preparation in a correct/meaningful manner, each one of you should be badgering your scheme provider for that information, and if any of you are members of unite, badger them as well, that's if you really do want something done about the five a day brigade.

 

[davesparks]

Any scheme provider has a duty of care for any documents provided in their name, therefor they should provide guidance for the preparation of said documents and the time period necessary to carry out that preparation in a correct/meaningful manner, each one of you should be badgering your scheme provider for that information, and if any of you are members of unite, badger them as well, that's if you really do want something done about the five a day brigade.

How are they supposed to provide guidance for the time necessary for preparing the documents?
They'd have to try to establish the time it takes for each possible size/type of installation, plus then for each software package plus hand writing certificates.
Add to this the fact that there is not a fixed format for the report, there is a model form in BS7671 but that is only a model and many of us use our own forms based on it.

Also the documents aren't provided in their names, the document is in the name of the person competing the report, the schemes allow their members to print their logos on the reports.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Interesting view point, but not really providing a solution to the problem of the five a day brigade, you should be looking for ways to get the EICR filled out and completed in a workmanlike manner, not finding excuses for them not to do anything about it, lots of other professions have done exactly that.

It's not the time to prepare the documents that is at issue, it's the time taken to get the information filled out on those documents.