Install an electric shower in bungalow - price range

[electricnovice]

Hello - member of the public here again, so please be nice this time :smartass:

I can appreciate people wont want to give out quotes on a public site, but if doable I'd appreciate a 'price range' if that's ok.

For an electrician installing an electric shower in my Mum's bungalow bathroom, so that when quotes come to her she knows they are at least in the right ball-park area. Job outline is -

Supply and install 10.5kw Triton electric shower.
10mm cable, 40amp MCB.
Plumbing-pipework, isolator and connectors.
Electrical installation certificate.
Sundries and labour.
(quote without the VAT)

Water to the shower to feed off from a cold water pipe which spurs off from an electrically heated water tank unit.

Thank you. Anyone's help is really appreciated.

SD (daughter) (Midlands)

 

[Andy78]

Hello - member of the public here again, so please be nice this time :smartass:

I can appreciate people wont want to give out quotes on a public site, but if doable I'd appreciate a 'price range' if that's ok.

For an electrician installing an electric shower in my Mum's bungalow bathroom, so that when quotes come to her she knows they are at least in the right ball-park area. Job outline is -

Supply and install 10.5kw Triton electric shower.
10mm cable, 40amp MCB.
Plumbing-pipework, isolator and connectors.
Electrical installation certificate.
Sundries and labour.
(quote without the VAT)

Water to the shower to feed off from a cold water pipe which spurs off from an electrically heated water tank unit.

Thank you. Anyone's help is really appreciated.

SD (daughter) (Midlands)

Getting ballpark figures off the internet without anyone having seen the job will give you a much less accurate idea of the actual price than getting 3 local electricians round to quote for the work. There may be myriad factors that only a first hand inspection will reveal.

The electrician will also decide on the sizing and co-ordination of the cable and MCB and won't need you to specify that for them.

 

[Spoon]

I would presume that giving out a quote for this would be quite difficult. There are so many factors to take in.
Is there a existing shower? What route will the cable go? How easy it is to get the cable and water to the shower? Does the CU have an existing RCD?.......


Looks like andy beat me to it....

 

[electricnovice]

Is there a existing shower? A. No
What route will the cable go? A. Through the attic space (clear way through)
How easy it is to get the cable and water to the shower? A. Straightforward according to one guy
Does the CU have an existing RCD? A. The electrical unit is brand new and there is space for a new connection for the shower electric supply.

 

[Spoon]

What have you been quote so far mate?

 

[electricnovice]

Mum has had 3 guys call. One hasnt sent the quote, one said he couldnt do it (?!) and the third has given a quote of £550 - so Mum is wondering if that sounds fair (given the other two chaps havent quoted). I thought I'd ask before getting even more guys in. Thanks

 

[Spoon]

Is the electrician also going to notify the relevant people as this falls under Part P?

 

[electricnovice]

I'll ask him. By 'the relevant people' who do you mean please? so I know what I'm asking about. Thanks

 

[telectrix]

notifying to you local building control.this is usually done throuh niceic,elecsa,napit, etc. if the sparks is a member of one of these scams. £550 seems a bit steep, IMO.

 

[hightower]

notifying to you local building control.this is usually done throuh niceic,elecsa,napit, etc. if the sparks is a member of one of these scams. £550 seems a bit steep, IMO.

Could it not be due to the water pipes needed installing too? Most sparks would normally have a plumber do this wouldn't they, so would have to spec that in?

 

[telectrix]

ha. i do my own pipework. then im know that itcomes out in the right place, not 2 foot below the shower position as was the case the last time i got a wet-pants to do it.

 

[hightower]

ha. i do my own pipework. then im know that itcomes out in the right place, not 2 foot below the shower position as was the case the last time i got a wet-pants to do it.

Even so, it would be a fair amount of work? Or is the price still on the high side with that included?

 

[polo1]

Assuming...... Existing spare way on board, rcd, necessary bonding, I would estimate 4 hours labour + materials (cable, mcb, dp switch, 15mm supply pipe, stop cock and tap connector). Shouldn't cost more than £350 ( including EIC) imho.

 

[telectrix]

not having seen the job, it's hard to say, but i would probably quote £400-£450. not including the price of the shower unit. of course.

 

[hightower]

not having seen the job, it's hard to say, but i would probably quote £400-£450. not including the price of the shower unit. of course.

So about £550 including the price of the shower unit

 

[electricnovice]

Polo - are you saying £350 - then plus the cost of the shower unit? just so I'm clear - thanks.

 

[electricnovice]

Like it hightower - I think we all got there in the end ! LOL

 

[Spoon]

Assuming...... Existing spare way on board, rcd, necessary bonding, I would estimate 4 hours labour + materials (cable, mcb, dp switch, 15mm supply pipe, stop cock and tap connector). Shouldn't cost more than £350 ( including EIC) imho.

Would you also notifying local building control for this price?

 

[Octopus]

So the electrician is doing the plumbing too?

 

[Hellmooth]

I think that's a fair price at £550

 

[polo1]

Polo - are you saying £350 - then plus the cost of the shower unit? just so I'm clear - thanks.

Yes, add the price of the actual shower unit to the figure I quoted. Obviously you'll get regional variations on hourly rates, but I think, based on your description, my pricing is fair.

 

[polo1]

Would you also notifying local building control for this price?

I'm in Scottyland, so no Part P notification in my costs/pricing.

 

[Andy78]

If that price of £550 is inclusive of the shower then it depends a lot on the shower. An unspecified model of a Triton 10.5kW could a be a £70 shower or a £300 shower.

 

[davesparks]

Hello - member of the public here again, so please be nice this time :smartass:

I can appreciate people wont want to give out quotes on a public site, but if doable I'd appreciate a 'price range' if that's ok.

For an electrician installing an electric shower in my Mum's bungalow bathroom, so that when quotes come to her she knows they are at least in the right ball-park area. Job outline is -

Supply and install 10.5kw Triton electric shower.
10mm cable, 40amp MCB.
Plumbing-pipework, isolator and connectors.
Electrical installation certificate.
Sundries and labour.
(quote without the VAT)

Water to the shower to feed off from a cold water pipe which spurs off from an electrically heated water tank unit.

Thank you. Anyone's help is really appreciated.

SD (daughter) (Midlands)

You claim no knowledge of electrics yet you have specified the cable size and mcb size?

Just have a look for the price of a triton piece of rubbish online if that's what you want fitted.

Can you not get a power shower fitted with a hot and cold feed from the water tank you mentioned? It would be a damn sight better than an electric shower

 

[telectrix]

one like this is even cheaper:

 

[telectrix]

or the grown up version:

 

[electricnovice]

I did indeed claim to have no knowledge because I dont ! The wording was taken from the guy who quoted £550. Thanks for your input.

 

[shanky887614]

£550 doesnt sound unreasonable. say £100+ just for the shower.

450 to include mcb,bonding, cable etc and possibly getting a plumber involved.

to give you an idea the last time i went to get a wylex breaker i struggled to get one for under £50 there were quite a few around £100 though

 

[stevethesparks]

or the grown up version:

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That is one shower I would put in for free :chinese:

 

[electricnovice]

Thanks everyone for your input, advice, knowledge and some entertaining comments. Once again, I have had an enjoyable interaction with you all chaps. I'll report back on how everything goes.

 

[joehat]

notifying to you local building control.this is usually done throuh niceic,elecsa,napit, etc. if the sparks is a member of one of these scams. £550 seems a bit steep, IMO.

Steep if not supplying the shower good if they are, and it's a good quality shower

 

[davesparks]

Steep if not supplying the shower good if they are, and it's a good quality shower

The op said its a triton shower so there is no chance of it being good quality!

 

[joehat]

The op said its a triton shower so there is no chance of it being good quality!

Okay then high end. I generally charge. a day £240 plus £100-150 dependant on what was needed in materials and parts Ect if they want a basic £100 shower 8.5 kW

But as said without exact details it will make a massive difference, like hacking to add a separate cu with add on nearly £100 a short run 7-8m compared to a 15 m run can make £40 difference but to having to buy a 25m cable Ect ext

 

[Risteard]

The electrician will also decide on the sizing and co-ordination of the cable and MCB and won't need you to specify that for them.

Indeed, and a 40A protective device isn't appropriate for a shower which pulls 45.65A anyway (or 43.75A if based on an open circuit voltage of 240V instead of the 230V harmonised voltage).

 

[davesparks]

Indeed, and a 40A protective device isn't appropriate for a shower which pulls 45.65A anyway (or 43.75A if based on an open circuit voltage of 240V instead of the 230V harmonised voltage).

Without seeing the rating plate for the shower it cannot be said for certain but I've never yet seen one which has its main power rating at 230V. Manufacturers didn't bother to go to the trouble of changing their manufacturing process when the voltage change supposedly happened, they just changed the printing on the stickers to include the 230V power rating as well as the 240V one (same for electric heaters and all sorts of other things)
Bottom line is that a 10.5kW shower is almost definitely going to be 10.5kW at 240V (9.6kW at 230V)

 

[davesparks]

Okay then high end. I generally charge. a day £240 plus £100-150 dependant on what was needed in materials and parts Ect if they want a basic £100 shower 8.5 kW

But as said without exact details it will make a massive difference, like hacking to add a separate cu with add on nearly £100 a short run 7-8m compared to a 15 m run can make £40 difference but to having to buy a 25m cable Ect ext

You've missed my point I think, triton electric showers are low end crap which leak like a sieve after a couple of years.

Why would you buy 25m of cable when you need 15m? Just buy 15m or else do what most people do and buy a drum

 

[Risteard]

Bottom line is that a 10.5kW shower is almost definitely going to be 10.5kW at 240V (9.6kW at 230V)

I agree, but as I said this gives 43.75A, so the specification of a 40A protective device isn't correct.

 

[davesparks]

Okay then high end. I generally charge. a day £240 plus £100-150 dependant on what was needed in materials and parts Ect if they want a basic £100 shower 8.5 kW

But as said without exact details it will make a massive difference, like hacking to add a separate cu with add on nearly £100 a short run 7-8m compared to a 15 m run can make £40 difference but to having to buy a 25m cable Ect ext

You've missed my point I think, triton electric showers are low end crap which leak like a sieve after a couple of years.

Why would you buy 25m of cable when you need 15m? Just buy 15m or else do what most people do and buy a drum

 

[Geordie Spark]

or the grown up version:

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After seeing that I'm off for a shower myself - a cold one!! :leaving:

 

[shanky887614]

You've missed my point I think, triton electric showers are low end crap which leak like a sieve after a couple of years.

Why would you buy 25m of cable when you need 15m? Just buy 15m or else do what most people do and buy a drum

thats the size screwfix sell it in XD definitely a diy'er

 

[Spoon]

You've missed my point I think, triton electric showers are low end crap which leak like a sieve after a couple of years.

That's a bit of a sweeping statement. Our last shower was a Triton (under £100) It lasted about 10 years. Our new one is also a Triton.

 

[sparksburnout]

or the grown up version:

View attachment 31304

Bloody hell I hope Pete's not looking at this in his condition.

 

[joehat]

That's a bit of a sweeping statement. Our last shower was a Triton (under £100) It lasted about 10 years. Our new one is also a Triton.

Agree, there not as and as people make out, I install them and had not one issue, about 10 in the last year alone and not one issue now or previous install. I install to customer budget within reason

 

[Amp David]

Polos working for nowt then!

OP said supply and install the triton shower. And you could do this for 350?

Id be pricing a day out to this sort of job, with the place left clean and tidy

 

[uksparks]

Electricnovice, if you want a quote from me, you are not far and I cover your area, so if you would like me to come and look, I can.

 

[sparksburnout]

thats the size screwfix sell it in XD definitely a diy'er

So if you buy anything from screwfix then you are a DIY'er? Bit of an odd statement?

 

[sparksburnout]

Polos working for nowt then!

OP said supply and install the triton shower. And you could do this for 350?

Id be pricing a day out to this sort of job, with the place left clean and tidy

I agree, there is no way most shower installs will be done in that time, not the ones I get anyway, you can spend 2 hours ***ng about with the plumbing if you are unlucky. I think this thread is ridiculous and also a bit dangerous bearing in mind it is on view to the public. There is no way anyone can say how much it will cost without seeing the job so offering up prices out of thin air is crazy.

 

[shanky887614]

So if you buy anything from screwfix then you are a DIY'er? Bit of an odd statement?

if they buy 25m of 6/10mm and they only need 15m then yes because everyone else would go to a wholesalers or somewhere that sells by the m

 

[sparksburnout]

if they buy 25m of 6/10mm and they only need 15m then yes because everyone else would go to a wholesalers or somewhere that sells by the m

Ah I see what you mean, not sure who was buying 25M but yeah obviously someone who does not use much of it. Screwfix prices for cable is high though.

 

[joehat]

Ah I see what you mean, not sure who was buying 25M but yeah obviously someone who does not use much of it. Screwfix prices for cable is high though.

Where I buy 10mm it's like £55-60 for 15m so £75 for 25m I get, what do you guys pay for 15m? And so they to what you want?