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I cant imagine that they would make any money, unless the bill rises as you encounter problems. I saw a similar ad which was for a new cu for £250. I would say its impossible to give a fixed price until you have visited the address.
 
googled the company in yellow pages,plumming heating electrical says fully qualified i was wondering if this could be a plummer doing full scope work?
can a kitchen fitter plummer etc that have sighned up with elecsa etc do full rewires on limmited scope.
makes me wonder how many other trades have got there foot in the door doing electric work maybe i need to do plumbing or fit kitchens?
 
I'm assuming it's not the CU he is showing, as that one isn't dual RCD.
Also, it doesn't say whether it is using mini-trunking, existing channels (if oval conduit is already there of course), or new channelling made good afterwards.
I can only guess that this will be for a surface-mount rewire.
 
can a kitchen fitter plummer etc that have sighned up with elecsa etc do full rewires on limmited scope.
makes me wonder how many other trades have got there foot in the door doing electric work maybe i need to do plumbing or fit kitchens?

No he cannot. He's only allowed to do minor works directly associated with his main trade (eg add an FCU for a boiler).

Rewires/new consumer units are not included in limited scope.
 
Yeah he does fuseboards for £249.00 he is only around the corner from me to. Wow fair play to him, i don't know how people get them prices materials cost me that! I must be missing a trick or two, possibly 3!
 
Wow this make good reading too .... you got me going now chaps!!
NEW FUSE BOARD SUPPLIED AND FITTED - BIRMINGHAM, COVENTRY, SOLIHULL, WEST MIDLANDS

The Consumer Unit will be located in the same position as the old one. If you require us to relocate it, this may incur additional charges. The cost of the service does NOT include any costs for making your electrical wiring safe or any upgrades to or additional earth bonding.

Just had a look at the Home Page page on this web site!!! Say's it all in the first photograph really, which shows Non UK Standard (German or French) plug and socket wall accessories... Or perhaps maybe they are thinking of expanding their Birmingham work area!! lol!!!

Then a photo of a 16th edition CU, that wouldn't now meet current domestic installation requirements... Sloppy on a web page, makes you wonder if they are just as sloppy on safety in peoples homes!!! lol!!!
 
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Back to the ebay "item":

Spelling mistakes
No mention of LABC

and more importantly who in their right mind would do a buy it now without meeting the provider.

This is more about marketing than selling.
 
Who's installing the new smart meter read some where its british gas , well access to every home in the uk ,great eh its the end of the small time spark ,how do you compete with the big guys you get chewed up and spat out , round here there are guys are re wiring 3 bed house in a day for £1500 , cant imagin what the works like
 
Who's installing the new smart meter read some where its british gas , well access to every home in the uk ,great eh its the end of the small time spark ,how do you compete with the big guys you get chewed up and spat out , round here there are guys are re wiring 3 bed house in a day for £1500 , cant imagin what the works like
well..it`l be crap wont it....
 
Who's installing the new smart meter read some where its british gas , well access to every home in the uk ,great eh its the end of the small time spark ,how do you compete with the big guys you get chewed up and spat out , round here there are guys are re wiring 3 bed house in a day for £1500 , cant imagin what the works like
i would put an add out there ofering a free check up on some of there work who knows what you may find could turn out to be lucrative for you going behind them and putting things right
 
just remembered there was a taxi driver when i did my 17th in birmingham, it was his 5th timetaking 17th eddition course i bet he has passed now and doing rewires
 
you have got to put yourself out there if you want a result just like these guys have

Putting himself out there? He's never at home by the sound of it! "The service is available during normal working hours, Mon – Sun 8.30am to 10pm."

Funny what some people class as 'normal'. Fair play to him though, I seriously doubt anyone could afford the rate I'd want for working 13 hour days seven days a week :)
 
just remembered there was a taxi driver when i did my 17th in birmingham, it was his 5th timetaking 17th eddition course i bet he has passed now and doing rewires

5 attempts at the worlds easiest multi guess exam ? lol , god loves a tryer.
Anyways , i admire the idea of getting his services advertised on ebay with millions of viewers every day - very shrewd.
what he didnt consider was ebay take 10% of the final sold value ;-D
 
Who's installing the new smart meter read some where its british gas , well access to every home in the uk ,great eh its the end of the small time spark ,how do you compete with the big guys you get chewed up and spat out , round here there are guys are re wiring 3 bed house in a day for £1500 , cant imagin what the works like

Horses for courses mate. We've done contract rewires on and of for 30 years for various councils, housing associations etc. We nearly always complete a rewire in a day, (2/3 bed) to a high standard aswell. You just need a good system and a very high work ethic. You'll be supprised how good some of these 1 a day teams are. Good rewire teams will spank you on price every time and produce work of equal standard, if not better.
 
Horses for courses mate. We've done contract rewires on and of for 30 years for various councils, housing associations etc. We nearly always complete a rewire in a day, (2/3 bed) to a high standard aswell. You just need a good system and a very high work ethic. You'll be supprised how good some of these 1 a day teams are. Good rewire teams will spank you on price every time and produce work of equal standard, if not better.

That's a bold statement considering you don't know the standard of our work.
 
You'll be supprised how good some of these 1 a day teams are. Good rewire teams will spank you on price every time and produce work of equal standard, if not better.

Can't see it myself, the figures don't add up. A "team" will need paying and the materials buying. So how do you fit all that into £1,500?
 
Horses for courses mate. We've done contract rewires on and of for 30 years for various councils, housing associations etc. We nearly always complete a rewire in a day, (2/3 bed) to a high standard aswell. You just need a good system and a very high work ethic. You'll be supprised how good some of these 1 a day teams are. Good rewire teams will spank you on price every time and produce work of equal standard, if not better.

There is a lot of truth in this statement,like it or lump it

Contract council house (surface mainly) wiring is a totally different animal to us working alone or with a helper on a private residence
The rewire teams are usually very well organised both with organising the job and carrying it out quickly and to an accepted standard

I say accepted standard because,you can't have speed and complete quality,there is usually a little compromise
If the rewire teams were doing a private,they likely will not do that private as quick as the council contract,but the standard will be raised a little
 
bang on the money with des's assessment.
theres very few on here who have to work to a deadline every day , as many on this site are self-employed , you'd be surprised what you can get done when really pushed.
 
Kids or foreign folk who are happy with £5 a day tto feed themselves! Banging them out in one day is clever though takes me 1 day to get my routes planned and start wiring! Lol
 
On closer inspection, why on earth would one show a picture of a poorly dressed, 16th edition 12 way board with doubled up lighting circuits, an iffy looking terminal 4 neutral connection and debris left in the bottom of the enclosure.
It may look acceptable to other trades/plumbers and joe public but to me it just looks a mess.

They offer fully fitted and certified for £249 then, quote "The cost of the service does NOT include any costs for making your electrical wiring safe or any upgrades to or additional earth bonding."
How does that work? What's the point in having it done in the first place then.

I just feel sorry for the public, who, with all their disclaimers, will end up paying well over the top.
Sorry for the rant but it just annoys me.
 

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That's a bold statement considering you don't know the standard of our work.
I did'nt mean the work will be better always.We've had plenty of really good sparks with every paper you could imagine to their name but, when they have to up the ante, bearing in mind this is price work wer'e talking about, you would think a first year apprentice had done it
 
Kids or foreign folk who are happy with £5 a day tto feed themselves! Banging them out in one day is clever though takes me 1 day to get my routes planned and start wiring! Lol
Wages ain't so good these days (probably down to 50k) but i have personally made over 90k pa doing contract rewires and, you can switch your phone of at the week end
 
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OK, so how does it go with teams doing contract rewires? I'm not taking the Mick, or saying it can't be done, just curious. How many in the team, who does what sort of thing.
 
who ever did that board couldn't afford a padsaw or spirit level by the look of the way they have chewed up the plasterboard above the cu.also i don't like all the debris left at the bottom of cu, or the floral wallpaper but i suppose thats only my taste.
 
OK, so how does it go with teams doing contract rewires? I'm not taking the Mick, or saying it can't be done, just curious. How many in the team, who does what sort of thing.


Ok see if you can imagine and try and follow this routine

Spark No 1 working downstairs
Spark No 2 wiring the property
Mate,laborer,2nd fixer.guy on less money than the other 2, call him what you will,for now he is No 3

Start
No 1 strips out the old mains and fits a ready made temp supply board
Spark 2 goes upstairs and starts moving furniture and carpets up,assisted by No 3

No 1 starts fitting trunking that's required for all of downstairs.
No 3 strips out old stuff down and up
No 2 gets boards up and drills the beams

No 3 jumps up and wires the attic
No 2 starts wiring under the boards
No 1 continues trunking

No 3 2nd fixes the attic
No 2 has cables prepared to drop down,he gets the cables up to the uostairs positions
(No 3 may delay 2nd fixing the attic to fish these cables downstairs to their positions for No 2
No 1 continues trunking

3 hours or so have gone and the attic is almost complete
The downstairs is almost trunked
The wiring is all but installed

No 3 finishes attic 2nd fix
No 2 starts relaying floorboards ready to 2nd fix the upstairs sockets
No 1 continues trunking and now putting lids on where the cables are now ready

No 3 finishes attic and starts on the downstairs 2nd fixing
No 2 starts 2nd fixing his upstairs sockets
No 1 continues trunking and putting lids on

6 hours has passed perhaps because they may have stopped momentarilly for a quick cup of tea(a dinner break is very rare)

No 1 is now fitting the consumer unit
No 2 is now cleaning upstairs and putting furniture back because its all 2nd fixed
No 3 is carrying on 2nd fixing the downstairs

A very short while later
No 2 is now downstairs helping finishing off 2nd fix with No 3
No 1 (who has completed the consumer unit) is helping

Power goes on ,check for correct working of sockets lights etc
Holes being patched with a filler of some sort
One man is loading the gear thats not needed onto the van,job almost done

By the way before testing is mentioned,this can be done very easily as the rewire progresses
Example, upstairs ring.last socket,test the continuity of the conductors,figure of 8,probably never done,Zs at each socket at the end of job
Many firms, if not most firms, rely on the bang test, the actual testing was done by the likes of me going in after the job was completed

They work very hard and believe me,most do the job very well
There are always all sorts in all jobs and some may be excellent, others I wouldn't trust putting up a shelf

The system completely disregards bs 7671 test procedures for safe use of the installation,but it works,it keeps the price down.it pays the guys very well indeed, and it needs young fit skilled sparks to handle it
 
My Grandad had a similar experience back in the 70's when he bought a house. Gang came in, bish bash bosh, job done super-fast.
When it got dark that night his living room light wouldn't turn on, so he phoned the firm the next morning.... Turned out that despite a checklist he'd been given by the foreman confirming all circuits tested and working, there was no cabling at all to the living room lighting pendants! Great story he still enjoys telling :)
 
the actual testing was done by the likes of me going in after the job was completed

so you sign off other peoples work after they have put floor boards down,left an unqualified mate do alot of the work .no mention of cable calculations do you check this on inspection or has it been done before hand? are the householders left with unchecked work until it is inspected?
 

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