Loop testers

[Chris Whitehead]

what does a loop tester do?



Is a cheapo ebay job adequate or do you have pay fluke prices?


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[telectrix]

a loop tester, or to be correct, an earth fault loop impedance meter , measures earth fault loop impedance. Zs, Ze etc. there are a few avo megger ones 2nd hand on ebay that will do the job as well as any other. be wary of the china/hong kong units, though.

look for a megger LT7. lovely bit of kit, and has no trip test facility.

 

[tony mc]

Just curious and dont mean to offend!

What do you want one for if you don't know what it does.

 

[Chris Whitehead]

Just inquisitive because I've never used one, was wondering why you'd need one. We can't all know everything, otherwise forums would be pointless.Still not sure what they do :19:

 

[tony mc]

This might help!

View attachment TN-C-S Fault path.doc

View attachment TT Fault path.doc

 

[Chris Whitehead]

excellent, thanks.

This is why I love forums

 

[GLENNSPARK]

you done any live testing then Chris?

 

[Chris Whitehead]

nope - live testing is banned in our place!!! I can live with that.

I'm now thinking a loop tester is just a megger, I used to use them a lot (and not for electrocuting each other either), just not for over ten year so am very rusty.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

whats a "megger?"....if you mean an insulation resistance tester...then that aint a megger.....it aint a loop tester either.....take a look at section 9, 10, and 11 in the on site guide for test instruments and how to use them.....testing etc.....may be good to look in guidance note 3 as well Chris...

 

[Des 56]

As you may know,Meggar was a term that encompassed anything and everything to do with insulation resistance testing

You owned a meggar,tested with a meggar and the circuit tested was meggered and if you wanted to borrow one,it was easier to say than insulation resistance tester

 

[mogga]

"Megger" is used for electrical test equipment in the same way "hoover" can acctualy be a dyson Goblin or even sharp

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i know...i was being sarcy...lol...

 

[Chris Whitehead]

thanks for the help guys.

Fortunately for me we have a proper sparky on site so I always refer to him, however when he's not there people think that just because I'm the calibration engineer they can ask me to solve their problems. I have to tread very carefully.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

theres a serious note here though as well.....a lot of the candidates undertaking the C&G 2391 are refering to an insulation resistance tester as a "megger"....and its costing em marks....likewise a low resistance ohmmeter isnt a "continuity tester"....their losing marks for incorrect terminology....

 

[Knobhead]

For an earth loop test in an industrial situation you’re going to need something very sensitive. Forget about doing it live unless you’re suicidal. From a 1000KVA 11/.44KV transformer you will have say two off 500mm² copper singles per phase and a single 500mm² for the neutral. From the incoming neutral I would run two 95mm² singles to the earth bar. If you fancy testing the prospective earth fault current at that point, you’re on your own, I’ll be legging it off up the road. All tests would be done “dead” using a Ductor. The earth nests would be checked by gradient testing. Remember the earth nest would be linked to the structure of the plant.
You will be looking for figures in the Micro Ohm range for all conductors, fault currents of say 50KA+.
I’ve only ever seen a local transformer fault in a training film by GEC (I think) it wasn’t pretty to see. I did see the aftermath of a local failure, a hole blown in ¼“ checker plate!
Obviously as you got out on the plant the prospective fault levels dropped, but the earth return path resistance didn’t due to the thousands of parallel paths. The first plants I worked on were all hot riveted together, no chance of a high resistance return path. It’s the reason for M&Q statutory testing we used a 70mm² wander lead and the Ductor to measure the return path.

Sorry I went in to “Rambling Sid Rumpole” mode

 

[GLENNSPARK]

a 70mmsq wander lead...lol....what were they doing Tony....spooling it of a tractor that was following you around..?..lol....

 

[Knobhead]

You may laugh Glen.
We had two trolleys with 200m of 70mm welding cable on each reeling drum. We were looking for readings in Micro/Mili ohms.

 

[linetech]

There are plenty of descent manufacturers of Line-Earth looptesters, and you don’t have to be buying fluke. Those with the best marketing strategyseem to be the most popular, it doesn’t necessarily make them the betteroption. It’s a bit like Gucci or Armani! The flukes have been known to sufferblank screen and throw out a few error codes after a bit of rough treatment.

You can’t go wrong with the jap gear, nothing wrong with it.Look at Kewtech(Kyoritsu) for example, solid work horse you can kick around thestreet and it still works with values unchanged. Unit is also good, solid & reliable stuff. Afterall, most of the stuff we plug in these days causing the high leakage currents,and throwing up tripping issues in domestic RCD protected installs are loadedwith Japanese equipment. Their test instruments are no different in quality totheir TVs, Cars, and Motor bikes. You just got to ensure you grab the rightbrand.

There seems to be some tidy stuff on ebay lately. You may beable to save a few £££ as well. Good luck with that!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

There are plenty of descent manufacturers of Line-Earth looptesters, and you don’t have to be buying fluke. Those with the best marketing strategyseem to be the most popular, it doesn’t necessarily make them the betteroption. It’s a bit like Gucci or Armani! The flukes have been known to sufferblank screen and throw out a few error codes after a bit of rough treatment.

You can’t go wrong with the jap gear, nothing wrong with it.Look at Kewtech(Kyoritsu) for example, solid work horse you can kick around thestreet and it still works with values unchanged. Unit is also good, solid & reliable stuff. Afterall, most of the stuff we plug in these days causing the high leakage currents,and throwing up tripping issues in domestic RCD protected installs are loadedwith Japanese equipment. Their test instruments are no different in quality totheir TVs, Cars, and Motor bikes. You just got to ensure you grab the rightbrand.

There seems to be some tidy stuff on ebay lately. You may beable to save a few £££ as well. Good luck with that!

well if kewtech were japanese ....its just that they arn`t.....made in a dedicated factory in china mate....this helps kewtech corporation keep the reigns on quality control...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You may laugh Glen.
We had two trolleys with 200m of 70mm welding cable on each reeling drum. We were looking for readings in Micro/Mili ohms.

trust me Tony...i wasn`t laughing at you mate...far from it.....of course i understand how such a CSA of cable would allow you to acheave such low readings.....

 

[linetech]

Japanese, Chinese, same part of the world. They seem to useand share the same manufacturing facilities for many a product, I doubt testmeters would be any different. Just a quick question - Are you stalking me???Never had my own stalker before, I feel privileged!! lol..

I was just trying to give the guy a little help on saving afew £££s I can’t remember seeing you offering the same assistance! Oh! that’s right you ask him if he could test live! I don’t think he asked anyone to ask himif he could test live. I’m sure that wasn’t the response he was looking formate.

Next time you pop into see me say Hi names on the left side of thepost!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Japanese, Chinese, same part of the world. They seem to useand share the same manufacturing facilities for many a product, I doubt testmeters would be any different. Just a quick question - Are you stalking me???Never had my own stalker before, I feel privileged!! lol..

I was just trying to give the guy a little help on saving afew £££s I can’t remember seeing you offering the same assistance! Oh! that’s right you ask him if he could test live! I don’t think he asked anyone to ask himif he could test live. I’m sure that wasn’t the response he was looking formate.

Next time you pop into see me say Hi names on the left side of thepost!

trust me on this pal....i dont need to stalk anyone.....got enough on as it is...do you suffer from attention deficiency?..oh and by the way...kewtech instruments are made in a factory in....oh let me see now...ah yes
C-H-I-N-A.....lolffs...

 

[Engineer54]

I think most manufactures now offset at least some of there manufacturing facilities in China these days. These companies build and run the factories, using the same components and standards as they would manufacturing anywhere else in the world. How long that is going to last is another matter, the cost of living and therefore wages are increasing all the time!!!

I can still remember when everything out of Japan was classed as cheap junk, how many can still say the same today?? lol!! China is presently in that mindset among the Western countries, but in fact a lot of the goods coming out of China are made by the same company that you'll be familiar with in the West. So if it's well known branded equipment, that's being sold by a reputable company (hasn't been faked), it'll be exactly the same as if it was made in any Western country...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I think most manufactures now offset at least some of there manufacturing facilities in China these days. These companies build and run the factories, using the same components and standards as they would manufacturing anywhere else in the world. How long that is going to last is another matter, the cost of living and therefore wages are increasing all the time!!!

I can still remember when everything out of Japan was classed as cheap junk, how many can still say the same today?? lol!! China is presently in that mindset among the Western countries, but in fact a lot of the goods coming out of China are made by the same company that you'll be familiar with in the West. So if it's well known branded equipment, that's being sold by a reputable company (hasn't been faked), it'll be exactly the same as if it was made in any Western country...

it wasn`t the cheap, junk thing i was laughing at here eng.....it was the nonsense that was linetech in #21. I know that the kewtech corparation have a tight hold on the quality control at this factory that produces test instruments for em...i have used kewtech stuff in the past and found it to be...hmm, well its ok.....

 

[linetech]

Lol..From where I’m sitting it looks as if you were stalking me or trying to be clever. We all like people that are smart, but as you’ve no doubt heard before! No one likes a smart ---.. As for the nonsense, I was providing a bit of advice but, you managed to find time to tear it up although you are really pressed for time right! Hope I didn’t touch a nerve on thes talking thing! You had me feeling like a celebrity there for a minute!


As for the ADHD thing, Well.. just goes to show how much of a clown you are. Come on! who would say, never mind write such a juvenile comment. Are you straight out of school, awaiting your GCSE results perhaps?

Sound bit of advice for you look! If you are a little nicer to people they may be a little nicer in return. Some life skills there for you kidda. Just look at Engineer54s comment. Sensible & informative...Take a leaf out of this member’s book and you be doing yourself a big favour!

 

[telectrix]

no need to turn a discussion into a slanging match, mate.

 

[linetech]

Thanks...Someone needed to tell him! ADHD gets a bit personal dont it?

 

[sedgy34]

what does a loop tester do?



Is a cheapo ebay job adequate or do you have pay fluke prices?


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mate, admire the testers at the moment get familair with them see which you would like and save your pennys buy new and should last a while than buying cheap and replacing 9 months later.