Minor works - Like for like

[telectrix]

Going back to the op original question , here is an example i come acroos a lot , carry out an eicr and there is a 32 amp mcb protection a 2.5mm radial socket circuit on the 2nd floor of an office.
We are then ask to carry out remedial work, now do you .
A. downrate to a 20amp mcb.
B. downrate to a 20 amp rcbo.

B.

 

[Flanders]

It would be odd not to use a rcbo unless you can jiggle something around upstream. No rcd = ra plus labels on sockets for specific use only. No?

You Can't use lables on sockets now to say for specific use , they stoped that with the 18th

 

[Blaspark]

It differs from house to house but we generally install radio link bases downstairs from existing light fixtures then replace the existing landing smoke with a radio link and hard wire from there to upstairs rooms via the loft.

Don't usually know where last point on circuit is, usually not too hard to figure it out though.

Just curious... Does your alarm system signal something if one of the devices drops of the network? If so do mind telling what brand/range you're using?

 

[peterhyper]

Am i the only one who minor works everything?
If i change a cracked lightswitch like for like i carry out a full range of tests and certify it.

Reasons are habit, and also do alot of work in social housing so always wanting to cover my back. Photo of every job also saved in the computer job file.

No hope of me issuing a MWC to change a cracked light switch. I doubt house owners issue themselves a MWC when they replace a light switch.

Do you also issue a MWC when you replace a customer's light bulb?

 

[DPG]

No hope of me issuing a MWC to change a cracked light switch. I doubt house owners issue themselves a MWC when they replace a light switch.

Do you also issue a MWC when you replace a customer's light bulb?

It's your choice. He was only giving his opinion.

 

[Blaspark]

No hope of me issuing a MWC to change a cracked light switch. I doubt house owners issue themselves a MWC when they replace a light switch.

Do you also issue a MWC when you replace a customer's light bulb?

I can see why you're not bothered but in a commercial installation where there might be a high turn over of staff, insane members of the public around etc would you not want to know if a socket has been changed once every 2 years for the last 6 years? That sort of info is very handy and MWC is best way to record it

 

[peterhyper]

It's your choice. He was only giving his opinion.

And I was only giving my opinion.

 

[Blaspark]

You Can't use lables on sockets now to say for specific use , they stoped that with the 18th

They stopped it in dwellings. In other properties it may still be possible according to 411.3.3 (I think). Where's the no labels mentioned?

 

[Blaspark]

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[Blissof89]

Just curious... Does your alarm system signal something if one of the devices drops of the network? If so do mind telling what brand/range you're using?

No, there is no monitoring. We are just using the Aico Radio link but I think the Radio link+ does have remote monitoring capabilities

 

[Blaspark]

No, there is no monitoring. We are just using the Aico Radio link but I think the Radio link+ does have remote monitoring capabilities

I think that system can detect node dropping of the network too by remote monitoring you can see it. It'd be better if it could signal that to the other alarms

 

[Blaspark]

No risk assessment allowed for RCD omission in domestic.

It's still allowed for the office example mentioned though? And labels on the sockets?

 

[DPG]

It's still allowed for the office example mentioned though? And labels on the sockets?

Ah, sorry. Lost track of the scenario !!

 

[magnoliafan89]

as i said. a MWC completed for the altered circuit. why a RA? is your company run by snowflakes?

What if theres a risk of spilling your cuppa??

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Obviously not for a lamp and no testing is required for changing a lamp. Once ive tested after changing a switch, filling out a MWC for 2 minites on the iPad doesnt effect my day so im happy tp do it.

 

[peterhyper]

I must be slow, because obtaining the results for the MWC and completing it takes me longer than a couple of minutes, and more so when the understairs cupboard is full of rubbish.

 

[GBDamo]

I can see why you're not bothered but in a commercial installation where there might be a high turn over of staff, insane members of the public around etc would you not want to know if a socket has been changed once every 2 years for the last 6 years? That sort of info is very handy and MWC is best way to record it

Not disagreeing with you but you make the assumption that, especially in a high turn over of staff scenario, MWCs are kept and can be found in two years time.

I've seen many, on outer appearances, competent and compliant additions. All with company sticker, labelled and dated that you expect has had a cert issued in its time.

As to see the certs for it and you may as well be speaking Swahili.

 

[Pete999]

Not disagreeing with you but you make the assumption that, especially in a high turn over of staff scenario, MWCs are kept and can be found in two years time.

I've seen many, on outer appearances, competent and compliant additions. All with company sticker, labelled and dated that you expect has had a cert issued in its time.

As to see the certs for it and you may as well be speaking Swahili.

 

[Flanders]

B.

They stopped it in dwellings. In other properties it may still be possible according to 411.3.3 (I think). Where's the no labels mentioned?

No the" label on a socket for specific use "is no longer in the reg the only exception is a risk assessment if it is not in a dwelling

 

[Pete999]

No the" label on a socket for specific use "is no longer in the reg the only exception is a risk assessment if it is not in a dwelling

Ah sanity returns