Part P Question... Sorry!

[Stuuk1]

I shall be rewiring my own house in a couple of week (completed on the sale yesterday).

Part P just seems an issue as its more expense which I just don't see the need for as I am a 2391 qualified electrician.

My question is, what is stopping me from having a periodic carried out when I come to sell the property (whenever that may be) instead of the expense of having it part p tested now?

 

[EastAnglian]

Guys - you don't have to agree with the rules or the law, but its there!

Just like when you get nicked for speeding you could argue that 'I'm perfectly safe at that speed', 'the road doesn't justify the limit', 'I know it like the back of my hand' - but you'll still be nicked and have to pay the fine!

 

[Marvo]

If you ignore the law as a professional electrician I would imagine the consequences might be worse than a layman in the same predicament. Is it worth the risk?

 

[gizmo]

MDJ you speak crap. ! If I remember right, it's something to do with the resale of a house ! But hey, prove I rewired it lol !

 

[MDJ]

MDJ you speak crap. ! If I remember right, it's something to do with the resale of a house ! But hey, prove I rewired it lol !

:shocked:
ooh okay then Gizzy

 

[Knobhead]

Must read the Gizmo “Guide to Winning Friends and Influencing People”. It’s bound to be a mine of information.
A bit like this place really, unfortunately you’ve just ^$*£ it!

 

[saveloy]

If you ignore the law as a professional electrician I would imagine the consequences might be worse than a layman in the same predicament. Is it worth the risk?

But there are no consequences. The only law being broken if you like is non notification which is in contravention of a building reg. The only prosecutions that I know of have been in conjunction with a prosecution for unsafe and dangerous work.
It really boils my pee that perfectly capable electricians are worried about contravening this rubbish when no-one outside the industry gives a ----.
Contrast our situation with the gas trade. It is perfectly legal for me to carry out gas work in a DIY capacity in my own home without having to inform anyone, as long as I am competant to do so. So we have the perverse situation where I as a fully qualified electrician, have to either pay a scam member or the LABC to come and inspect electrical work done by me in my home, the same work as I do on a daily basis at work and yet I can carry out gas work and noone needs to know or inspect it. Its nuts and I for one refuse to participate in this nonesense.

Having said that I dont blame anyone for wanting to do the right thing and notify. To me it says a lot about their standards of work. Just a shame the rest of the country couldn't give a monkeys.

 

[Geoffsd]

Then why do they keep coming on here and asking about it?

You may not like it, you may ignore it but it is the law and it is quite simple.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

MDJ you speak crap. ! If I remember right, it's something to do with the resale of a house ! But hey, prove I rewired it lol !

and this from someone who thinks you need to hold the C&G2391 to carry out EICRs.....lol.....lol...

 

[wildgoose]

Some advice to the Gentleman who is rewiring his own place without a Part P sign off.

When/if you sell your place beware! If the buyers' solicitor knows the house has been recently rewired, then he will ask your legal firm for the sign off documentation.

If it doesn't exist, then be prepared for your buyer to renegotiate the price down by a serious amount. Understandable because they are taking the risk and want compensation in return.

This buyers tactic that is becoming more common, particularly towards people who think they don't need to comply with building regulation.
I have to comply with reg's so why shouldn't everybody else - think the slang term for those that don't bother with the reg's is a 'cowboy'

 

[saveloy]

Some advice to the Gentleman who is rewiring his own place without a Part P sign off.

When/if you sell your place beware! If the buyers' solicitor knows the house has been recently rewired, then he will ask your legal firm for the sign off documentation.

If it doesn't exist, then be prepared for your buyer to renegotiate the price down by a serious amount. Understandable because they are taking the risk and want compensation in return.

This buyers tactic that is becoming more common, particularly towards people who think they don't need to comply with building regulation.
I have to comply with reg's so why shouldn't everybody else - think the slang term for those that don't bother with the reg's is a 'cowboy'

Take it that this post is aimed at me. Cheers for the advice but I wont be selling my house for a very long time if ever so Part p rubbish aint really going to affect me but thanks for your concern anyway.
I comply with regs everyday of the week.As previously stated I work for an Approved Contractor, installing and signing off notifiable work every day of the week. But if not informing the local council busybodies about work I've done in my own home, work that I do for a living, makes me a cowboy in your eyes and it makes you feel better, then hey you go for it. I'll not lose any sleep over it.

 

[Geoffsd]

I comply with regs everyday of the week.As previously stated I work for an Approved Contractor, installing and signing off notifiable work every day of the week. But if not informing the local council busybodies about work I've done in my own home, work that I do for a living, makes me a cowboy in your eyes and it makes you feel better, then hey you go for it. I'll not lose any sleep over it.

Then get your QS to issue the certs and notify.

 

[saveloy]

Then get your QS to issue the certs and notify.

Not possible with the type of company I work for.

 

[DieselShunter]

If the labc are going to go after someone for not complying with Part Pee, then it is unlikely they would chose a qualified electrician who has rewired his or her own gaff competantly.

I can just see the headline in the local rag:

"Council bureaucrats waste ratepayers money taking qualified electrician to court for rewiring his own house correctly"

 

[Knobhead]

"Council bureaucrats waste ratepayers money taking qualified electrician to court for rewiring his own house correctly"

I wouldn't be to sure after tonights news. The Muppets have removed children from the care of a foster family because they are members of UKIP.

 

[MDJ]

No one is suggesting your not a good electrician or that part pee isn't a joke here, just a warning fella that if you did do work in the kitchen or bathroom and didn't notify it and something happened you could be in for some trouble, if you want to take the risk then feel free to do so, just don't try to give us a hard time about it, your the one posting asking the question.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

No one is suggesting your not a good electrician or that part pee isn't a joke here, just a warning fella that if you did do work in the kitchen or bathroom and didn't notify it and something happened you could be in for some trouble, if you want to take the risk then feel free to do so, just don't try to give us a hard time about it, your the one posting asking the question.

well i also see part p as a necessary evil Mike....
yes yes we all know its a con......but a lot of this depends of course on how much notifyable works you carry out......the more notifyable stuff you do....the less it costs...
still not fit for purpose though....

 

[gizmo]

and this from someone who thinks you need to hold the C&G2391 to carry out EICRs.....lol.....lol...

Glen, apologies for the way I was speaking to you and the others last night, I'd had a few and sometimes some of the statements that people come out with as fact on here makes me want to scream !
In answer to the statement i'd made, it was meant that anyone with a 239-1 can sign off their own house. But I also agree with your statement about not needing it to test a job, so long as the QA counter signs the cert too.

 

[Dave 85]

A scam member? I would hardly put it that way. After all Part P is the scam... An electrician attempting to do his own job are not scammers.

If the rewire was carried out and the paperwork lost but a periodic carried out (fully tested) prior to sale, this is surely acceptable?!

ha ha
Wrong end of the stick pal

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Glen, apologies for the way I was speaking to you and the others last night, I'd had a few and sometimes some of the statements that people come out with as fact on here makes me want to scream !
In answer to the statement i'd made, it was meant that anyone with a 239-1 can sign off their own house. But I also agree with your statement about not needing it to test a job, so long as the QA counter signs the cert too.

well look, never mind about that....i can be a bit curt in here n all......
the only requirement for part pee (unfortunately) is the 17th edition....and deep pockets...sigh...
the C&G 2391 is a well respected qual to have as its old school written (unlike the 17th edition)...which is an online guess....
my advice to you would be as others in here have already mentioned......that is to get a part p registered electrician who will not just be able to sign off the works carried out.....but will also be able to guide you through it all as well.....
look at it like this....after the work is done....you may feel you want to register with a scam yourself.....there again you may not.....:biggrin:

 

[Octopus]

I shall be rewiring my own house in a couple of week (completed on the sale yesterday).

Part P just seems an issue as its more expense which I just don't see the need for as I am a 2391 qualified electrician.

My question is, what is stopping me from having a periodic carried out when I come to sell the property (whenever that may be) instead of the expense of having it part p tested now?

What you should do is contact your local LABC, discuss your experience and qualifications with them and if they are OK about you doing it then you'll have to part with some money and at the end of the rewire your new home will be rewired and compliant.

I appreciate that you want to save money but bypassing the LABC could cost you dearly in time.

No doubt you'll be stuffing your new home with TV's, gizmos etc so do the right thing and spend the little it'll cost to do it right.