Part P scams

[Skyba]

Hi, I'm a fully qualified spark and I've been working "self employed" through agencies for a while now and I'm getting sick and tired of being self employed but feeling as if I'm on the cards being told when I can and can't leave and when I can and can't take time off all to then be pumped with an hours notice when no longer needed. And I won't even start in the leaching agencies and payment companies we have to put up with.


Anyway to get to the main point I've been looking into going it alone and have been looking at getting my 2391 (2394/5 as its called now) and registering with a scam but I need to build up a client base first and get the word around and was wondering if there's anyone who's decided not to go to scam and registers their own work with building control? Is this a costly/time consuming process or is it easy enough to make a scam unnecessary if your just setting up?


any help would be much appreciated.

 

[telectrix]

go for it. start with small, non-notifiable jobs, then as you build it up, consider joining a scam.

 

[Richard Burns]

You can register your work with building control (but only if it is required and the amount required has reduced significantly). It will normally mean you would have to price yourself out of the job as it can be expensive, however do check with your local council (if you can get any sense out of them) and see what is possible. They should have a list of their standard charges on their planning website somewhere.
For non-notifiable jobs, go ahead, if you are competent.

 

[Skyba]

Cheers for the info, on a completely different note, has anyone used IDEAL MFT's my brother has them at his factory and his spark swears by it, has all the functions of a top notch fluke apart from Bluetooth but they're only £350

 

[Richard Burns]

I haven't used one but the forum sponsor test meter sell them and they are normally very good to talk to and will always help out.
Looks like they do the range of tests.

 

[Phoenix]

Cheers for the info, on a completely different note, has anyone used IDEAL MFT's my brother has them at his factory and his spark swears by it, has all the functions of a top notch fluke apart from Bluetooth but they're only £350

Think you'll find these meters are now discontinued. I looked around a fair bit for one and ended up with a Metrel. Quite impressed!!!

 

[BangTidy]

Am I right in thinking work can now be notified through a 3rd party? Could you not on big jobs bring in somebody you know to work with and sign it off.
Might mean less of a profit but further down the line with being more financially better off, get complient yourself and then go on your own.

 

[mtfpuk2011]

thats as of next year but techley you are dling a pir on it

 

[Octopus]

Am I right in thinking work can now be notified through a 3rd party? Could you not on big jobs bring in somebody you know to work with and sign it off.
Might mean less of a profit but further down the line with being more financially better off, get complient yourself and then go on your own.

No, the Government have relaxed the processes BUT none of the schemes have anything in place to make if work. That said I'm not going to be signing off anyone else's work - why would you.

You need to build a client base and if you regularly have to get LABC in to test what does it say about you?

 

[BangTidy]

thats as of next year but techley you are dling a pir on it

I thought that came in with these April changes, thats what my LBC said when I rang up last month about somthing, if the know there arse form their elbow.
Not really just doing a PIR if doing a full rewire, always helpfull having a second pair of hands to get through it?

 

[BangTidy]

No, the Government have relaxed the processes BUT none of the schemes have anything in place to make if work. That said I'm not going to be signing off anyone else's work - why would you.

You need to build a client base and if you regularly have to get LABC in to test what does it say about you?

No I wouldnt do that, that would do us all out of money and work if people did that.
You want to look as professional as possible but have to admit this Part P game is as murky as a London 1950's pea souper!!

 

[pete555]

I thought that came in with these April changes, thats what my LBC said when I rang up last month about somthing, if the know there arse form their elbow.
Not really just doing a PIR if doing a full rewire, always helpfull having a second pair of hands to get through it?

whats a PIR

 

[shanky887614]

whats a PIR

periodic inspection report.

now replaced by eicr or electrical installation condition report

 

[pete555]

periodic inspection report.

now replaced by eicr or electrical installation condition report

correct so call it a EICR not a PIR

 

[shanky887614]

correct so call it a EICR not a PIR

it doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same

 

[brucelee]

another unnecessarry change and as for the 3rd party I&T hasnt come in yet even though it was supposed to be in line with the new PART P doc coming out , schemes arent providing this due to providing warranties and who would be responsible for what
A complete load of tosh
Part p was supposed to be reducing the burden on sparks all its done is made it easier again for rogues whilst charging us a small fortune for what

To the Op If you are already Qualified and experienced then join a scheme get some work then go for the 2394- 95
as long as you have 17th edition qual do it now as they should have changed the registration requirments
soon you will need NVQ lv3 or A new QS qual thats also coming out more changes more mess
If you have technical cert or similar / apprenticeship they will let you in jsut need a working knowledge of the regs and building regs recent work to show all certificated correctly , 2 million PLI, calibrated tester, BS7671, OSG, Part P doc

they will send you a pack if you contact them with all the info for whats required

you shouldnt have a problem with your experience

 

[mtfpuk2011]

I got my assment on tuesday with elecsa

 

[Skyba]

another unnecessarry change and as for the 3rd party I&T hasnt come in yet even though it was supposed to be in line with the new PART P doc coming out , schemes arent providing this due to providing warranties and who would be responsible for what
A complete load of tosh
Part p was supposed to be reducing the burden on sparks all its done is made it easier again for rogues whilst charging us a small fortune for what

To the Op If you are already Qualified and experienced then join a scheme get some work then go for the 2394- 95
as long as you have 17th edition qual do it now as they should have changed the registration requirments
soon you will need NVQ lv3 or A new QS qual thats also coming out more changes more mess
If you have technical cert or similar / apprenticeship they will let you in jsut need a working knowledge of the regs and building regs recent work to show all certificated correctly , 2 million PLI, calibrated tester, BS7671, OSG, Part P doc

they will send you a pack if you contact them with all the info for whats required

you shouldnt have a problem with your experience

thanks for the info, I spoke to a few scams about the changes but they don't really effect me as I have an NVQ3, I was looking more at napit than niceic as they will cover you for commercial and industrial at no extra cost if you are a gold carded spark yet niceic charge a fortune for an approved contractor, not that I'll be doing much ind/commercial stuff as I've kinda had my fill for a while but it's always nice to be able to a bit here and there.

 

[Choppo_3]

thanks for the info, I spoke to a few scams about the changes but they don't really effect me as I have an NVQ3, I was looking more at napit than niceic as they will cover you for commercial and industrial at no extra cost if you are a gold carded spark yet niceic charge a fortune for an approved contractor, not that I'll be doing much ind/commercial stuff as I've kinda had my fill for a while but it's always nice to be able to a bit here and there.

Was unaware of napit being full scope may have to look into this further as I was looking into elecsa for part p as I've heard good things about them

 

[BangTidy]

Just found an article out about 3rd party certifies.


Where Is The Register of 3rd Party Certifiers?

 

[Sharpend]

I feel sorry for all you that pay for the scams, was talking to a head of LABC recently and he confirmed my thoughts. If you can produce qualifications proving your competence then most LABC will accept your certificates. As he said no electrician will be prosecuted for non notification if their install/work is fully compliant with the bs7671. Still carry on and keep paying!!!!!

 

[brucelee]

Hi mate
and the alternative is paying LABC a large fee which when I asked my LABC was £190 per job and even though I had all quals inc 2391 , NVQ etc and even though I am qualified to carry out the work and complete certs they would still need to send a 3rd part I&T to check the work as its upto them whether they will accept your certificates and tests results or not

 

[oldtimer]

I feel sorry for all you that pay for the scams, was talking to a head of LABC recently and he confirmed my thoughts. If you can produce qualifications proving your competence then most LABC will accept your certificates. As he said no electrician will be prosecuted for non notification if their install/work is fully compliant with the bs7671. Still carry on and keep paying!!!!!

Sharpend this applies in Scotland its called "Certification by Enquiry" and some planning who have not been brainwashed prefer it because if you are a member of a scheme you put scheme number on the cert and thats it but By Enquiry you put a copy of the testers cal cert and a front and back copy of your SJIB card that lists your quals and the bonus is it has your picture on it .

Look at it this way say a guy uses his mates scheme number and something goes wrong "By Enquiry" is a full audit system ie to the customer was this the person who did the job type of thing and a cal cert for the tester. But using your mates scheme number could not happen could it ????? well lets just say thats why planning prefers "By Enquiry"

Plus they have to accept this under the European Free Trade Act if not it would be a cartel with the Schemes and descrimination to the individual

 

[terminator]

While I agree with some of your comments Oldtimer, the Insurance companies are beginning to ask for certification by recognised schemes (usually NIC because of misinformation, which is annoying) - so eventually the customer will be turned down by the insurance, if the certs are not from 'approved' schemes with their heading on the paperwork. This is becoming quite common especially with commercial and industrial insurers. so eventually you have to join a scam in order to get the work.

 

[oldtimer]

I do domestic repairs so the only thing I cannot do is an EICR on a HMO but a couple of landlords use me for repairs and PAT as they save money