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Should the the items have passed the "PAT" test?

Poll closed Mar 26, 2017.
  1. YES

    50.0%
  2. NO

    33.3%
  3. The examiner needs retraining

    16.7%
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  1. UKMeterman
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    UKMeterman Electrician's Arms

    Hi,
    Could you explain to me how these two items could have passed the in service equipment examination and test. Both items have USA two pin plugs, and one is on USA zip cord. The item is being used in the main hall at Hampton Court...

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  2. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    You have to apply common sense. If it's fit for purpose and passes all tests and the inspection then I would have no problem.
     
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  3. gutterball
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    gutterball Electrician's Arms

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    You test it whilst plugged into the adapter. It's like the testing I was doing the other day. I was busy unplugging every thing from the multi gang behind the tv and working out what went to where. Then the tenant said the last bloke just plugged the multi gang in to his tester and tested the lot in one go.
     
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  4. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    what about a visual inspection fuse size
     
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  5. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    N/A
     
  6. Flanders
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    Flanders Regular EF Member

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    I would say its ok as long as a suitable coverter plug is used mind you the item on the picture looks like the flex does not have any outer sheath so I may not of passed it if that is the case
     
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  7. EMMEC
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    EMMEC Regular EF Member

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    what about putting a note :
    working only with UK plug adaptor , protected 3A fuse... or something similiar
     
  8. UKMeterman
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    UKMeterman Electrician's Arms

    You are on to something, this is USA cord intended for 110V....
     
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  9. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    I do this all the time, visual plugs first and label up then test the lot at once.
     
  10. Wilko
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    Wilko Electrician's Arms

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    I'm not used to seeing single insulated cables like these used on anything beyond speakers (nowadays). Is figure 8 single insulated flex part of a cable standard approved for this use in U.K.? If not, wouldn't that be sufficient grounds to fail the inspection?
     
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  11. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    This is a good question.
     
  12. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    USA also has 220v.
     
  13. UKMeterman
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    UKMeterman Electrician's Arms

    220V is not on standard outlets in the USA
     
  14. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    They have both, high drain appliances are 220V+ e.g. AC. Different fitment plugs/socs though I think so yeah, what is that lead supplying?
     
  15. UKMeterman
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    UKMeterman Electrician's Arms

    The lead is supplying environmental monitoring equipment.
     
  16. Wilko
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    Wilko Electrician's Arms

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    If brain recalls correctly, US 220V sockets are 3 pin, so I'm thinking this is a 110V plug and lead intended to be plugged into 110V socket and is attached to an appliance that tolerates 240V (or has an internal switch setting). None of which means it is an approved mains flex for UK or that the appliance is double insulated, but it could be both.
     
  17. KennyKen
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    KennyKen Electrician's Arms

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    Surly would have to conform to British Standards. No fuse in plug. No Earth pin. NFPA 70 Standards - 120v Single phase - 240v - split phase mainly 15amp to 20amp outlets. Like another user has said definite use for 120v 10 amp applications. Dielectric tests?
     
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  18. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    That lack of fuse would not concern me, but the issue with the cable is a very good point.
     
  19. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    The cable "could" have a reinforced sheath.
     
  20. Wilko
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    Wilko Electrician's Arms

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    In the spirit of the original post ... if I was shown this adapter and lead I would not approve it (regardless of how it tested) unless it had docs substantiating CE or BS approvals. If I tested it and it seemed ok and I approved it I fear I would be acting as an unregistered type approval agency. I'll just put my tin hat on and await incoming :)
     
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  21. LeeH
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    LeeH Insert witty monkey comment here. Electrician's Arms

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    CE is not a requirement I believe.

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