pir coding for rewireable fuse carrier with asbestos flashguard

[smaloney10]

Looking for some help not came across this situation before, doing pir in domestic property and the consumer unit is old mem type board with rewireable fuses, some have been changed to bs 1361 fuses but the ones that haven't have asbestos flashguard in them. What code would you suggest? Thanks

 

[Goody]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, code 2, I guess!

 

[netblindpaul]

Can't give it a code 2 because there is nothing in 7671 wrt asbestos.
That is there is nothing that says asbestos materials don't comply with 7671.
You must notify the customer, best way is an associated comments section appended to your PIR.
Thing is with a code 2 that infers that it could be electrically dangerous, it is not.
In fact if left undisturbed even under CAWR there is no reason to change.
HOWEVER, the client if commercial or a private or social housing landlord MUST have an asbestos survey a copy of which MUST be given to any persons likely to come into contact with the asbestos and this MUST detail ALL asbestos in the premises including that in electrical switch gear.

 

[Dean Williams]

ive always been told (including by the NIC) to put it down as code 1.

 

[morph]

no code

 

[netblindpaul]

ive always been told (including by the NIC) to put it down as code 1.

In which case I would be asking the NICEIC to give you the BS7671 reg no. to justify that.
My clients will NOT accept a PIR unless every observation is backed up by a reg no.

 

[netblindpaul]

no code

Quite morph, however, it must be reported to the client.

HOWEVER,
Unless you are an asbestos surveyor and have had the material tested you cannot categorically state that it is an ACM.
Remember even to take samples IIRC you must be trained & competent.
Which most of us are not, however, we all must be trained to the basic level in asbestos awareness to comply with the CAWR.

 

[i=p/u]

i opro=bably need that training, i always think about it

 

[smaloney10]

code 2 requires action to remove potential danger. well if the fuse blows and the tenant has to replace the fuse wire does that not pose a danger to them and i assume i have a duty to protect them from this. have a read at this below.

The Solution to Risk Management.Under controlled conditions and by following HSE Guidelines for handing asbestos in this situation (download HSE guides a30 & a33), it is perfectly safe theoretically to replace blown fuses.In virtually all cases however, this will not be the case, as a blown fuse needs replacing "right now". Control measures required when exposing asbestos require area sheeting-off, the use of PPE by the operative, shadow vacuuming of the area and more. In other words, it is a major task and will probably result in long-term loss of power to the affected circuit and will also involve the engagement of operatives suitable trained and competent to work with asbestos.In practical terms, the only logical solution is either asbestos removal and fuse carrier and fuse replacement (assuming replacement carriers are still available) or complete replacement of the fuse board with a modern MCB type distribution board, thereby removing the risk.


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[netblindpaul]

smaloney10,

Where did you get that paragraph from please?
That is not the advice, information or training that is being given by many recognised organisations.
When replacing a fuse wire or cartridge, you should not be disturbing the asbestos at all.
If the asbestos is undisturbed then it poses no danger.