Plenty of jobs out there?

[wellshocked]

but i do love a bit of house bashing

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Surely you are contradicting yourself here Glen. In one statement you are saying that 'mates' are fetch and carry merchants, and in another that they are installing cables (the backbone of any electrical installation) and second fixing?

Hear this one and all, and hear it now.

ELECTRICAL MATES, LABOURERS, IMPROVERS WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, ARE IN DEMAND, ALWAYS WILL BE.

BECAUSE BIG JOBS DON'T NEED PEOPLE TO KNOW CABLE CALCS, AC THEORY, OR ANY OF THE OFFICE STUFF.

THEY JUST NEED CHEAP(ISH) RELIABLE LABOUR TO INSTALL TO A REASONABLE STANDARD.

THIS DIVISION OF LABOUR INTO MATE/ IMPROVER/ LABOURER IS NONSENSE. YOU EITHER HAVE A GOLD CARD OR YOU DON'T.

THE PEOPLE EMPLOYING EITHER WANT CARD CARRYING SPARKS OR THEY WANT 'MATES' ( USED TO DESCRIBE UNQUALIFIED OR PARTLY QUALIFIED LABOUR)

THERE IS NO OTHER DISTINCTION.

i said you might get to do a bit of making off......hardy regular second fix is it voltz......further more in referance to cable pulling....i was refering to the heavy stuff......

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I dont know why you need to capitalize your messages as well as if putting them in caps is going to articulate your meaning any better.

because voltz is clearly one of those that likes to imprint his views on others.....and capitals are a means of achieving this....i bit like the various dictatorships that sprang up in the 20s and 30s.....

 

[pmac10]

but i do love a bit of house bashing

the very thought fills me with dread!, a job as a maintenance spark in a good factory/company can be hard to beat

 

[trev]

WITH RESPECT, I agree, but this is a separate issue about competition for jobs. Some here are stating that you can't get on site with only a CSCS card.

YOU CAN.

Ok then, I'll rephrase on their behalf(Please forgive me guys) you can get on site with only a CSCS card.

(My words now though) However unless you know someone who will put a word in for you it's extremely unlikely

 

[wellshocked]

Ok then, I'll rephrase on their behalf(Please forgive me guys) you can get on site with only a CSCS card.

(My words now though) However unless you know someone who will put a word in for you it's extremely unlikely

exactly , thats all i was trying to say to him

 

[wellshocked]

the very thought fills me with dread!, a job as a maintenance spark in a good factory/company can be hard to beat

definetly especially if you want the holiday pay , a mortgage and a van ,

but i do find it easy cash, the only downside is peoples filthy houses chasing out and lofts, but it is also a relaxed atmosphere , none of this health and safety crap they have on big sites

 

[pmac10]

definetly especially if you want the holiday pay , a mortgage and a van ,

but i do find it easy cash, the only downside is peoples filthy houses chasing out and lofts, but it is also a relaxed atmosphere , none of this health and safety crap they have on big sites

agree , but i've never done site work, full time maintenance engineer with a global company, my focus is keeping production lines running, but like i said, i may get allocated installation work for being naughty,
as the great band Slipknot said People=Sh*T, at least in a factory, People =Clock Number, nothing else!

 

[Jay Sparks]

definetly especially if you want the holiday pay , a mortgage and a van ,

but i do find it easy cash, the only downside is peoples filthy houses chasing out and lofts, but it is also a relaxed atmosphere , none of this health and safety crap they have on big sites

You get your electricians mate to do it lol.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

bye bye piratebillybob.

 

[Dave 85]

There seems to be a couple of undisputed opinions on here and Im gonna dispute both.
1. An electrician cant earn 50k working on his own
2. House bashing is the lowest of the low.

Well you CAN earn 50k....
How?
House bashing....
I know a lot of you won't believe this but I know a few self employed electricians who make 45k+ doing mainly domestic work, usually on their own. I know one who turns £150k+ with 1 or 2 casual mates, which is probably half taxable profit.
I do mainly domestic work, I dont make 50k, but probably nowadays making equivalent to 40-45k on the cards.
Im sure there are a few on this forum who make more than 50k.
Ok so you have to have good contacts, business skills, customer interaction and generally work for the wealthy.

With regards to house bashing...
I love it...
I love rocking up in my trainers, chatting to the various housewives, who are generally very friendly, getting a cuppa and the occasional bacon sarnie, not lugging a 110 transformer around, not having to worry about risk assessments, nonsensical h&s policies or getting told what to do by jobsworths, not having a boss, being able to earn faster by working harder, always being busy whilst working so the days fly by, working with other free thinking self employed trades, constant variation in what I'm doing, rarely being on the same job more than 2 days in a row.....
I could go on for ever...

I know its not everybodys cup of tea, but I'd never do anything else.
I do enjoy doing the odd minor industrial job, little barn/warehouse or summin, bit of SWA trunking and conduit cos you get a bit more job satisfaction than you do smashing holes in things all day, but to work on big sites (which I have done a couple of times for very short periods) is my absolute worst nightmare... do that, dont do this, wear these, dont wear those, dont go here dont use this etc etc.
As is sitting around a factory all day waiting for something to stop working.

Not slating people who do this kinda work, each to their own, but its not for everyone.

 

[TaffyDuck]

There seems to be a couple of undisputed opinions on here and Im gonna dispute both.
1. An electrician cant earn 50k working on his own
2. House bashing is the lowest of the low.

Well you CAN earn 50k....
How?
House bashing....
I know a lot of you won't believe this but I know a few self employed electricians who make 45k+ doing mainly domestic work, usually on their own. I know one who turns £150k+ with 1 or 2 casual mates, which is probably half taxable profit.
I do mainly domestic work, I dont make 50k, but probably nowadays making equivalent to 40-45k on the cards.
Im sure there are a few on this forum who make more than 50k.
Ok so you have to have good contacts, business skills, customer interaction and generally work for the wealthy.

With regards to house bashing...
I love it...
I love rocking up in my trainers, chatting to the various housewives, who are generally very friendly, getting a cuppa and the occasional bacon sarnie, not lugging a 110 transformer around, not having to worry about risk assessments, nonsensical h&s policies or getting told what to do by jobsworths, not having a boss, being able to earn faster by working harder, always being busy whilst working so the days fly by, working with other free thinking self employed trades, constant variation in what I'm doing, rarely being on the same job more than 2 days in a row.....
I could go on for ever...

I know its not everybodys cup of tea, but I'd never do anything else.
I do enjoy doing the odd minor industrial job, little barn/warehouse or summin, bit of SWA trunking and conduit cos you get a bit more job satisfaction than you do smashing holes in things all day, but to work on big sites (which I have done a couple of times for very short periods) is my absolute worst nightmare... do that, dont do this, wear these, dont wear those, dont go here dont use this etc etc.
As is sitting around a factory all day waiting for something to stop working.

Not slating people who do this kinda work, each to their own, but its not for everyone.

Well I agree 100% with you Dave. You can earn a very good living as a self employed sparks. I do. Will someone who comes out of a 6 week course be able to, no chance. In 5 years or so when they have a good customer base, a good amount of experience and a hard earned reputation, then yes. Straight out of "college" whatever form that takes there is no chance whatsoever.

 

[alarm man]

There seems to be a couple of undisputed opinions on here and Im gonna dispute both.
1. An electrician cant earn 50k working on his own
2. House bashing is the lowest of the low.

Well you CAN earn 50k....
How?
House bashing....
I know a lot of you won't believe this but I know a few self employed electricians who make 45k+ doing mainly domestic work, usually on their own. I know one who turns £150k+ with 1 or 2 casual mates, which is probably half taxable profit.
I do mainly domestic work, I dont make 50k, but probably nowadays making equivalent to 40-45k on the cards.
Im sure there are a few on this forum who make more than 50k.
Ok so you have to have good contacts, business skills, customer interaction and generally work for the wealthy.

With regards to house bashing...
I love it...
I love rocking up in my trainers, chatting to the various housewives, who are generally very friendly, getting a cuppa and the occasional bacon sarnie, not lugging a 110 transformer around, not having to worry about risk assessments, nonsensical h&s policies or getting told what to do by jobsworths, not having a boss, being able to earn faster by working harder, always being busy whilst working so the days fly by, working with other free thinking self employed trades, constant variation in what I'm doing, rarely being on the same job more than 2 days in a row.....
I could go on for ever...

I know its not everybodys cup of tea, but I'd never do anything else.
I do enjoy doing the odd minor industrial job, little barn/warehouse or summin, bit of SWA trunking and conduit cos you get a bit more job satisfaction than you do smashing holes in things all day, but to work on big sites (which I have done a couple of times for very short periods) is my absolute worst nightmare... do that, dont do this, wear these, dont wear those, dont go here dont use this etc etc.
As is sitting around a factory all day waiting for something to stop working.

Not slating people who do this kinda work, each to their own, but its not for everyone.

or you confusing turnover with earnings.,also h&s doesnt cease to exsist just because its a domestic enviroment,ie wearing trainers instead of suitable footwear/not wearing eye/ear/head protection its all h&s

 

[ipf]

or you confusing turnover with earnings.,also h&s doesnt cease to exsist just because its a domestic enviroment,ie wearing trainers instead of suitable footwear/not wearing eye/ear/head protection its all h&s

I'm in agreement regarding H+S. We know it's over the top at times but just because there's no proper supervision it doesn't mean accidents wont occur. Insurance to think about too. If an investigation takes place it's important that certain criteria have been met. Just as we're liable for the work we carry out, we're also liable for our safety on site.

 

[TaffyDuck]

or you confusing turnover with earnings.,also h&s doesnt cease to exsist just because its a domestic enviroment,ie wearing trainers instead of suitable footwear/not wearing eye/ear/head protection its all h&s

I agree about the H+S point. But I have been running my business for many years and I do know the difference between profit and turnover. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. My income is broadly in line with what Dave is saying, 80% Domestic and before anyone thinks I am ripping old ladies off I live and work in a rural area where word of mouth is how a business thrives. Quality of service, having a good relationship with your clients etc etc.

 

[alarm man]

I agree about the H+S point. But I have been running my business for many years and I do know the difference between profit and turnover. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. My income is broadly in line with what Dave is saying, 80% Domestic and before anyone thinks I am ripping old ladies off I live and work in a rural area where word of mouth is how a business thrives. Quality of service, having a good relationship with your clients etc etc.

agree 50k could be eaisly made self employed,theres employed lads making that,but h&s doesnt stop just because your working in someone house

 

[Dave 85]

or you confusing turnover with earnings.,also h&s doesnt cease to exsist just because its a domestic enviroment,ie wearing trainers instead of suitable footwear/not wearing eye/ear/head protection its all h&s

I also am aware of the difference between turnover and profit as my post quite clearly shows. A self employed persons taxable profit on their tax return generally results in more disposable income than the same figure as a salary. This is due to a number of reasons: less NI, the odd bit of cash that gets 'forgotten', the fact that for many people their vehicle, fuel, phone and several other expensis are already paid out of turnover etc etc.

Not exactly sure what the point about health and safety is....I dont need someone to tell me not to stick my tongue in the main fuse and im willing to risk my life using 240v tools. I don't have a written health and safety policy because I dont see any point. I am blessed with a rare and valuable attribute called common sense which has kept me alive so far.

 

[oldtimer]

I agree about the H+S point. But I have been running my business for many years and I do know the difference between profit and turnover. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity. My income is broadly in line with what Dave is saying, 80% Domestic and before anyone thinks I am ripping old ladies off I live and work in a rural area where word of mouth is how a business thrives. Quality of service, having a good relationship with your clients etc etc.

Yep me to I do electrical repairs and specialise in fault finding and this is down to 36 years experience I am not boasting I find fault finding easy and because of this combination I am in and out with some jobs and most of my customers are grateful and a minority will say well that was easy and I say well I make it look easy but 36 years of doing it is a bit of an advantage for me and that is what I am selling.

 

[alarm man]

I also am aware of the difference between turnover and profit as my post quite clearly shows. A self employed persons taxable profit on their tax return generally results in more disposable income than the same figure as a salary. This is due to a number of reasons: less NI, the odd bit of cash that gets 'forgotten', the fact that for many people their vehicle, fuel, phone and several other expensis are already paid out of turnover etc etc.

Not exactly sure what the point about health and safety is....I dont need someone to tell me not to stick my tongue in the main fuse and im willing to risk my life using 240v tools. I don't have a written health and safety policy because I dont see any point. I am blessed with a rare and valuable attribute called common sense which has kept me alive so far.

cowboy springs to mind,regardless of how you treat yourself or anyone else working for you,you have a duty of care to your customers while working on their premises also

 

[Dave 85]

Yes thats right...
Im a cowboy...