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Say it like it is Mate and be dammed.does it my arse. a Electrical Trainee domestic installer can be niceic. that does not mean he's an electrician or knows his arse from his elbow. as long as his cheque cleared.
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Say it like it is Mate and be dammed.does it my arse. a Electrical Trainee domestic installer can be niceic. that does not mean he's an electrician or knows his arse from his elbow. as long as his cheque cleared.
does it my arse. a Electrical Trainee domestic installer can be niceic. that does not mean he's an electrician or knows his arse from his elbow. as long as his cheque cleared.[/QUOTE
I am not talking facts, this thread is about what it means when someone asks if you are approved. My opinion is that on job applications if they ask you if you are approved they are asking if you are part of a scheme. These jobs do not ask if you are approved to 17th Edition or ECS. I'm not implying approved electricians are good at their job, I am saying they have been approved by an authorisation to do so.
I am not talking facts, this thread is about what it means when someone asks if you are approved. My opinion is that on job applications if they ask you if you are approved they are asking if you are part of a scheme. These jobs do not ask if you are approved to 17th Edition or ECS. I'm not implying approved electricians are good at their job, I am saying they have been approved by some company that have been given the authorisation to do so.does it my arse. a Electrical Trainee domestic installer can be niceic. that does not mean he's an electrician or knows his arse from his elbow. as long as his cheque cleared.
Why would someone who is a member of a scam be applying for a job?I am not talking facts, this thread is about what it means when someone asks if you are approved. My opinion is that on job applications if they ask you if you are approved they are asking if you are part of a scheme. These jobs do not ask if you are approved to 17th Edition or ECS. I'm not implying approved electricians are good at their job, I am saying they have been approved by some company that have been given the authorisation to do so.
Many reasons, for me it's to get a well paid job and quit being self employed as it comes with headaches. Then I can quit the scam membership.Why would someone who is a member of a scam be applying for a job?
NVQ 3 was not about then. I hold 236 A/B that was the requirement, plus 2 years supervised.'approved electrician' is a jib grade
you need to have completed
apprenticeship
nvq 3 in electrical
am2
inspection and testing
and two years graded as an electrician
In which case your scam memebrship becomes pointless as it will lapse meaning in your definition your no longer “approved”Many reasons, for me it's to get a well paid job and quit being self employed as it comes with headaches. Then I can quit the scam membership.
Yes that is correct, I'll be an qualified electrician and the company I will be with, will have to be approved. They have to be.In which case your scam memebrship becomes pointless as it will lapse meaning in your definition your no longer “approved”
Why do they? No one becomes “approved” under the umbrella of a company they work for, thats why the JIB are recognised as industry standard for qualifications.Yes that is correct, I'll be an qualified electrician and the company I will be with, will have to be approved. They have to be.
When you are sent to jobs via an agency or umbrella company you worWhat? Half of that makes no sense what so ever. Also there is no law that states you need CSCS to get on site.
The ECS is another version of CSCS which lets you work on site as an Electrician. When an Agency sends you to work on a site, the people you work under will be Approved to a scheme. I have never been on site and the company who give me the orders are just ECS JIB rated, they will be Approved Contractors.What? Half of that makes no sense what so ever. Also there is no law that states you need CSCS to get on site.
You are missing the point, you are complaining about scheme membership to me, why?I understand what a ECS card is and its prpose. You serioulsy think that every electrician on site is assesed by a scam? No the chamces are the company has its membership based on the assesment of one job regardless of how many they employ so to think they are regarded by thr scams as competant is seriousy deluded.
I completely understand, I myself am waiting for the Gold card.I only applied for my card recently.
I never needed it when I worked for someone, and we never worked on sites that required it..
I'm a sole trader now and member of NAPIT and I have no reason for needing a JIB Grading card other then to prove to my potential customer base that I am what I say I am.
I was hoping that people could look up my credentials online via this new ECS registered electrican thing the JIB are rolling out. And feel confident on who they get in to carry out their work.
If I'm honest NAPIT means nothing to me, but I need it to self certify jobs.
There us still confusion here...
We are talking about being officially graded rather then being approved/registered/endorsed by a scam.
JIB grading..
Core > Approved > Technician
The NICEIC is a Scheme, although they like to think they run thing electrical, but un reality they are a Scheme.You are missing the point, you are complaining about scheme membership to me, why?
I'm giving my opinion of when someone uses the term Approved electrician. I say It again, when someone asks you if you are Approved or are an Certified Electrician. They are asking can you certify your works and notify Building control.
Your seem to be debating about the scheme companies being a fraud, that's a completely different topic to me. Anyway I have never been on site and the ones giving me orders are not with some scheme, mainly NICEIC. However under health and safety all must have ECS or CSCS.
Yhea true, they act like some sort of electric police.The NICEIC is a Scheme, although they like to think they run thing electrical, but un reality they are a Scheme.
Yhea true, they act like some sort of the police.
This is my problem, I need to know how, it's just that I was led to believe I have to be part of a scheme. I really do not know my options.Im not missing the point at all, I am self employed and not a member of any scam yet can still certify my works as can absolulty anyone else, there has never been a need to be in one to do it.
Who has told you that imformation? What sort of work are you lolking at doing when you set up on your own?This is my problem, I need to know how, it's just that I was led to believe I have to be part of a scheme. I really do not know my options.
I don't want to give my money away to a scheme who just in it for profits, whilst I advertise there logo on my clothes hoping it will get me more work for more pay.
Domestic, Commercial and industrial.Who has told you that imformation? What sort of work are you lolking at doing when you set up on your own?
This is where I get confused, to me even I am wrong. The certificate is not valid unless it is done by Approved Contractor and paper with a serial numberIm not missing the point at all, I am self employed and not a member of any scam yet can still certify my works as can absolulty anyone else, there has never been a need to be in one to do it.
Thanks, I will get to the bottom of this.No, you need to prove comptance to be deemed a electrician. Theses no law ststing what that actually is which is why JIB seems to be used as a industry standard. As for EICRs again no meed to be a member of any scam, you teally should do some searching on this forum first as there is alot of good info to be found on here. Then ask queetions once you have a better idea of what is required.
This is where I get confused, to me even I am wrong. The certificate is not valid unless it is done by Approved Contractor and paper with a serial number
No the cert just has to have a unique reference so you can find it of requested. You can start you own certs with number 1, dont fall into the trap of thinking younhave to but their cert and numbers
Everything Dillb says is about being able to self certify etc. Is 100 % correct and the NICEIC are notoriously the worst for trying to make their users use all their branded carp.
They are the ones to blame for this misconception that Solicitors etc. All adhere to.
However some of us sign up with a scam and pay our hard earned cash out because it's just easier. I can't be bothered to fight everyone to prove this and that's why I and so many others join these schemes.
If we all did what Dillb did these schemes wouldn't exist. So I respect these guys and girls that don't bow down
NVQ 3 was not about then. I hold 236 A/B that was the requirement, plus 2 years supervised.
Thing is they were ince upon a time held in high esteem in the industry, but since the Part P fiasco has started they have just been about chasing the ££££The National Inspection Council for Electrical Installation Contracting
It's the wording too, The National Inspection Council. It sounds like law. It's misleading.
This is my problem, I need to know how, it's just that I was led to believe I have to be part of a scheme. I really do not know my options.
I don't want to give my money away to a scheme who just in it for profits, whilst I advertise there logo on my clothes hoping it will get me more work for more pay.
What qualifications do you have and what are your experiences within this Trade?My jib/ecs gold card status is "approved electrician". The card has a list of gained qualifications on the rear. This title was automatically given to me after i applied for the card following my ecs health and safety exam. I can only assume that having a certain level of qualification entitles the recipient to be graded as such, nothing to do with niceic, napit, elecsa or part p.
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