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Pull the fuse or let the relevant organisation handle it?

  1. Pull it myself and reseal with some seals I found hanging out the back of a wagon

    50 vote(s)
    28.2%
  2. Pull it myself but don't reseal - the seal was missing in the first place anyway if anyone asks

    100 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. Not my job, let the relevant organisation handle it - they are quite good at working around me

    5 vote(s)
    2.8%
  4. Not my job, let the relevant organisation handle it - even if it throws my diary out of whack

    9 vote(s)
    5.1%
  5. Pull it myself and reseal with a SSE temporary seal

    13 vote(s)
    7.3%
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  1. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Durham
    So, anonymous poll - who pulls the main fuse when required (ie CU change) and who get's the DNO/supplier/whoever in to sort it?
     
  2. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Durham
    Just want to add I know this has been done to death, but don't think there has been a poll on it.

    I've just phoned up DNO for clarification. "Oh no, you need to phone the supplier, that's their issue". So I phoned up the supplier, EDF in this case, and asked if I could pull the main fuse - "Oh, right" as if she'd never heard the request before, "give me a minute while I speak to a manager". About 2 or 3 minutes later and she returns to say "we can't say do it, only that as an electrical contractor it would be your decision whether to or not". I said "if I took the decision to cut seals and do it, would you be knocking at my door?" to which she replied "oh no, not at all. It's up to you to take the decision whether it is safe to remove the fuse, but if you have any issues with the removal just give us a call back and we'll take it from there"
     
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  3. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    Quite a useful reply that Hightower, gives the go ahead but at the same time says get in touch if you're 'scared'.
     
  4. Spoon
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    Spoon Trusted Advisor

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    Did you record this conversation? What proof do you have that they have said this, if they change their mind in a week or so? CYA.
     
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  5. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    I record all phone calls :)
     
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  6. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Haha, do you think it was a professional way of calling me a chicken?
     
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  7. ruston
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    ruston Trusted Advisor

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    No it's them being non committal. Do you think they really want to send a man with a van to 'pull' a fuse.
    If you do pull it , it's your responsibility, but have you ever heard of anyone who has been prosecuted for it?
     
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  8. amlu
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    amlu Trusted Advisor

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    Let the fuse fairies deal with it :)
     
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  9. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    All I'm saying is their response to me was a little different to 'don't touch it at any cost' mentality that is traditionally linked with suppliers
     
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  10. Electric Magic
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    Electric Magic Electrician's Arms

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    If you're not in a rush Hightower EDF is one of the few suppliers that will fit an isolator for free. That said, they're not always the best at keeping appointments (or rather, the company that they sub it out to).
     
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  11. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    Think will depend on your DNO. Mine SSE, if you are in a scheme, obtain temporary self adhesive seal from local deposit, pull their main fuse, do work, replace main fuse, apply temporary seal, inform local depot, giving them their temporary seal number. I also use same seals to reseal meter terminal cover, even if it's not SSE, get customer to ring supplier (although not technically correct). Suppliers will only speak to customer, not electrician, but given my details, customer has never had issue.
    As this is not an option in your poll, I can't vote in your poll. :)
     
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  12. HandySparks
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    HandySparks Trusted Advisor

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    Agree with Midwest. Would be worth adding the SSE temporary seal as an option.
    Although, if there's no seal in the first place, I won't necessarily add one at the end of the job.

    If it's not an SSE area, I'll pull the fuse anyway (if it's safe and in good condition).
     
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  13. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Durham
    Not sure I can edit the poll now, perhaps an admin could add the additional answer?
     
  14. ruston
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    ruston Trusted Advisor

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    That's the crux of it to be honest.

    My side of the water always give permission if they have dealt with you before . I have never been asked to contact the supplier, unless I have hit on and they have been the supplier too.
    I thought the DNO owned the cut out and the supplier started from the meter.
     
  15. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Durham
    That's what I thought until the DNO palmed me off to the supplier. She said they'd only send someone themselves if the install was in a dangerous condition.
     
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  16. ruston
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    ruston Trusted Advisor

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    Yes , I have had a few old cast ones replaced in the past.
    Our area is pretty good . I have always had fast service from them, and they answer the phone quick.
     
  17. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    I read somewhere recently, possibly niceic rag, that there a committee of the good & great considering this issue - you would think it was something new, like electricians have been doing it live since replacement CU's were invented! That said, was talking to an old colleague (not an electrician). He said he had changed his CU. and asked what I did about the main fuse conundrum. Pulled the main fuse I said, what did you do, 'I put little cardboard shrouds on the ends of the tails'........ekk!
     
  18. tomspark93
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    What seal?
     
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  19. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    yes I've never seen one either :D
     
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  20. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    you find them off the coasts of wales and scotland.
     
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  21. wirepuller
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    I've heard that if you are a cunning sort and cut the seal with a little consideration it's often possible to re-instate it so that you could never tell it was cut. So I'm told anyway.
     
  22. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    We will have to start calling you fusepuller instead :D
     
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  23. Vortigern
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    Vortigern Electrician's Arms

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    England
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    F.H. Electrical
    Had a cut out change by DNO and said tongue in cheek, well how am I going to take those double tails out of the meter when I change from two DBs' to one ??
    Thats alright we'll leave the seals out. I said great thanks.
    They then said... we did not have this conversation ok ?
    What conversation says I
     
  24. GMES
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    GMES Chief Gorilla Staff Member Trusted Advisor

    Tut Tut, you are all naughty boys, when in doubt call the A-Team.
     

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  25. Videodoctor
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    Videodoctor EF Member

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  26. katysparks
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    katysparks Electrician's Arms

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    Bristol
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    Down to Earth Electrics
    At a cu we were changing.. the supply company had put the neighbours electrics in the top of the main fuse (which were cracked and totally *uggered), but suppliers refused to accept they would ever do that, so we ended up disconnecting a nice old lady's electrics.. the council sparks came out for her and gave us all hell, shouting that we shouldnt ever EVER pull the main fuse. finally the suppliers came out and bodged the mains cables, we were able to reconnect the fuse and send the nice council men on their way. weird afternoon..
     
  27. Sintra
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    Sintra The Innkeeper Staff Member

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    SSE temporary seal option now added.
     
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  28. 7029 dave
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    7029 dave Trusted Advisor

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    I used to pull the bullet, in me day with the old lead seals it was easy cut them tight an open the seal just nip them up with your pliers. God I should not be saying that. lol
     
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  29. Andy78
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    Andy78 Trusted Advisor

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    I have had it said to me many times before by the DNO guys, the most recent being Monday. "We're not really bothered about seal cutting, it's the meter companies that are"
    Stands to reason really. Offer possible evidence of tampering and you should expect a talking to. Offer none and nobody except jobsworths will bat an eyelid.

    Crack on lads, there's work to be done.
     
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  30. Leesparkykent
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    Leesparkykent You Rock Gmes Staff Member Trusted Advisor

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    I wonder who the two goody two shoes are in the poll:eek::p
     
  31. sam400
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    sam400 Regular EF Member

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    sussex
    I pulled a main fuse once, I hadn't noticed but the cut out had been damaged at some stage so a big chunk of plastic came away with it. I rang the DNO to let them know, then carried on with the CU change as I didn't want to lose the day.
    When they turned up they didn't bat an eyelid, they replaced the cut out and even asked me what size fuse I wanted in there. They then left it on the side for me to put back in once I had finished the CU.
     
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  32. test electrical
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    test electrical Regular EF Member

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    liverpool
    I've been doing the same as video doctor for over 20 years. Give them call tell them it was in a dangerous condition and that I had to cut the seal and remove the cut-out fuse.
    Now I send them an email. Job done, ever had a problem with them ever. In fact Scottish power replied once thanking me.
    North West, British gas, never had any problems.
     
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  33. Andy78
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    Andy78 Trusted Advisor

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    Further to this comment, and seemingly contrary to my last one, I have seen fuses which have suffered heat damage through fault to the point where the insulating exterior had completely crumbled away.

    Be sure what you are pulling if you are pulling anything.

    I might add that this was not in a single phase domestic system, although I have encountered faulty and overheated fuses in these too, but not to the same extent.
     
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  34. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    To quote Hans Gruber 'Ho Ho Ho'.
     
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  35. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    Your guys need to keep up with the programme :)
     
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  36. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    I don't see why I should try and hide the fact I need to remove a fuse (to carry out safe isolation) to do a job. Removing the fuse argument aside, I'm doing a job that's fully legal, why should we hide or jump thru hoops todo so. My DNO has a sensible practible approach, about time the others followed suit.
    Gas meters got an isolating value, has so for years. Bout time electric companies followed their lead.
     
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  37. danzor
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    We're electricians, safe isolation and all.... I will do anything to work safe and get back to my family.
     
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  38. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    I voted for the last option, but I don't think SSE cover the whole of the U.K
    Why not contact your local DNO, if that's your main area of work, and ask their policy?
     
  39. hightower
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    hightower Electrician's Arms

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    Durham
    Well I thought this had been done to death but seems people still had a lot to get off their chest. Interesting poll result, but not shocked by it. I suppose the poll options I forgot to add were PPE when pulling the fuse - who wears it, who doesn't? If you do, what do you wear?
     
  40. rolyberkin
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    rolyberkin Electrician's Arms

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    Chelmsford
    The fact that people pull fuses on a nod from some admin girl at the end of a phone doesn't make it right. Unless there is a written down agreement or process between a supplier/dno I wouldn't pull the fuse unless some other factor made it dangerous not to do so. I just call the supplier and get a isolator put in. This should be addressed by the IET. To my mind the most relevant post here so far is hightowers comment about PPE, no one expects or plans to have an accident yet they still happen. I bet that most people who pull fuses don't wear suitable gloves or a face shield like they should do? Again the argument will be well the DNO/Supplier come out and they don't bother wearing PPE......in 99.99% of cases there will be no issue but on that 00.01% of cases where the fuse holder crumbles in your hand or there is an issue then at least you have the proper protection.
     
  41. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    Agreed, SSE have a written policy. So why not see if 'yours' has?
     
  42. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    Close my eyes and put my fingers in my ears :)
    If the cutout looks dodgy I wouldn't touch it, call the dno. I wear glasses, safety glasses as matter of course. I acknowledge the previous post mentioning safety visor and gloves. Remove load by safe isolation and remove fuse. Reciprocal in replacing fuse.
     
  43. DPG
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    DPG Electrician's Arms

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    Stand on something insulating if on a damp concrete floor in a cellar. Daz
     
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  44. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Oxfordshire
    Normally use my safety shoes not my slippers, but get your point.

    Expect there will be the normal HS ditties. But when I'm drilling fixing holes for a back box, I don't wear safety hat, hi viz vest, ear defenders, gauntlets and fire extinguisher on stand by for your normal domestic residence.

    Tin hat, I'm mean safety hat on :)
     
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  45. ruston
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    They used to be tin lol.
     
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