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  1. paulwalldall
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    Hi. my niece has had an inspection on her house and hoping to let it out. inspection done by letting agencys man at the very last minute and lists a number of things required as do not meet current regulations. i agree with some of these. bonding etc. not so others. earthing wires too small but ok at time installed. the most unusual was : "tracing and removing if unused wiring on outside of house." This was strongly recommended as does not comply with current regs. I cant recall this regulation, can anyone shed any light Thanks.
     
  2. davesparks
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    At a guess I would say it is going to be some T&E cable clipped to the outside.

    The regulations require that cables be suitable for the environment, T&E is not uv stable so should not be exposed to sunlight. Generally any cable which is suitable will be black, the same as only black PVC conduit can be used outside, not white.
     
  3. dingledong
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    But the op is saying unused cable , so what's wrong then
     
  4. stantheman
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    I agree wholeheartedly on removing obsolete wiring/circuits as these can inadvertenly become energised (if not already). What are/were these obsolete cables supplying?
     
  5. dingledong
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    Ok Stan but where does it say it's against regs
    I do see your Pont and would say I would recommend to remove them but the electrician is saying it's against regs
     
  6. stantheman
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    If it's a reg number you're after then I can't help but the only time I'd be happy about any unused cct is if it was terminated and marked up correctly stating cct particulars eg ex outside lighting cable fed from cct number 5 etc.
     
  7. paulwalldall
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    Thanks for very quick replys. realise my post was a little confused as trying to put little ones to bed at the time. Try again.
    Inspector says he needs to trace and remove wiring outside of house if it is for obsolete circuits, as to leave it there will contrave regs. probably is t+e and completely agree on the potential for an acccident but is it really against a specific reg to leave it there or a general 'try to prevent accidents ' type regulation. cant imagine a regulation asking you to trace and identify all wires if your not really sure what they might do.
     
  8. dingledong
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    If the cables were cut short so unable to be 're used I would have thought that would be acceptable but I don't know the runs etc . Has your electrical given this a code ?
     
  9. paulwalldall
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    Thanks for very quick replys. realise my post was a little confused as trying to put little ones to bed at the time. Try again.
    Inspector says he needs to trace and remove wiring outside of house if it is for obsolete circuits, as to leave it there will contrave regs. probably is t+e and completely agree on the potential for an acccident but is it really against a specific reg to leave it there or a general 'try to prevent accidents ' type regulation. cant imagine a regulation asking you to trace and identify all wires if your not really sure what they might do.
     
  10. davesparks
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    Depends if it is unused but still connected to a source of supply, or if it is disconnected and just sitting there looking ugly.

    We can only assume it is still connected as he has quoted to trace the ccts and disconnect.
     
  11. davesparks
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    If the circuit is disconnected then it isn't going to be inadvertently energised, and if it is correctly terminated then there is no danger from it being energised, it's just a bit pointless.
     
  12. paulwalldall
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    No codes for any of the work. just says doesnt comply with current regs. just says bonding under bath. tho plastic pipes attach to bath taps. .Upgrade earth cable to consumer unit to 16mm., sure original complied with regs in force at installation. Run 10mm earthing to gas and water services. there might not be any at all. cant check as house is 60 miles away. and check and remove wire outside property if no longer in use.
    Grand total of £365 plus vat.

    Bit annoyed as survey done yesterday by letting agencys man and there tenants want to move in on Tuesday. Been asking for survey for 6 weeks now. not sure about bonding to services but the rest complies with regs in force at time of installation so bit annoyed ot bill but the work makes sense to do. just feel like theyre trying to make a fast quid by leaving it till last minute Ggggrrrr.
     
  13. stantheman
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    Have a look at 514.1.2 and possibly 514.1.3
     
  14. davesparks
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    It sounds a little bit like someone could be a bit short on actually knowing the rules they are apparently inspecting to!

    If I were you I would insist on seeing the inspection report before agreeing to any work! And find out the name of the contractor to check then out, don't just trust that they are ok because the agents use them!

    I do work for a Lettings agency and have never had anyone check my work or ask for any references!
    I carry out 'visual inspections' for them and give them a printed report made up of the inspection schedule from and EICR plus the supply details page etc along with a list of all observations with explanations and recommendations on how to fix.
     
  15. paulwalldall
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    Possibly. makes sense to identify odd wires appearing for no obvious reason. How would you label wires outside a house though. apart from installation diagram and notes.
     
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