wall light fault

[amckay]

My neighbour asked me to put some fancy switch plates up after he decorated. So I'm screwing the plate into the back box and Bang! I mustn't of tightened a connection properly (prob should have turned circuit off too lol) :-( so I make everything ok and re energise circuit but lights for that switch won't illuminate. Change of bulbs reveals its still not working. I've used a non contact voltage detector to check there is power to the lamps and have checked continuity using a fluke t90 and some old offcut to make up the distance and continuity is fine on both L+N. I can't do IR as my tester has been sent away for calibration with screwfix.
I've never come across this before and so far I'm stumped. Any ideas where the fault lies?

 

[Jaxo]

Well the earth cont is ok, he had pir and after looking at certs it seems ok. I'll know better when I test it myself tho.

How do you know this if your meter is away getting calibrated ?

 

[dazza1981]

How do you know this if your meter is away getting calibrated ?

Volt stick and neon screwdriver mate. Hes clever

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i'll ask dan to give you a "FORUM GRUMP" badge. :82:

well i could cope with that....

 

[Jaxo]

I did see a house in Belfast once with fused neutrals... owner called the place I used to work say he had a prob in that his lights fused and did not come back on after rewiring the fuse... took us a while to find it it but there was a box with all the neutrals coming back and fuses on each of them

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I did see a house in Belfast once with fused neutrals... owner called the place I used to work say he had a prob in that his lights fused and did not come back on after rewiring the fuse... took us a while to find it it but there was a box with all the neutrals coming back and fuses on each of them

yep...

Cast service heads often have fused neutrals as well....i always report `em wherever i finds `em...

 

[egg67]

RIGHT you lot as your not being very help full to the OP I'm going to help.



Get a plumber in I think it is something to do with the thing in the wot sit that has not been put in the gubings and then touch the other u bit that is part of the thing that has got nothin to do with wot we are talking about, Friday ISThe best night of week

 

[dazza1981]

RIGHT you lot as your not being very help full to the OP I'm going to help.



Get a plumber in I think it is something to do with the thing in the wot sit that has not been put in the gubings and then touch the other u bit that is part of the thing that has got nothin to do with wot we are talking about, Friday ISThe best night of week

Are you drunk mate?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Are you drunk mate?

still not as pised as the OP was when he started this crap...

 

[egg67]

Not yet as had to take the wife out tonight, she was driving but does not like me to drink when we out, she's gone to bed so give me 45min and I will be

 

[Silly Sausage]

Not yet as had to take the wife out tonight, she was driving but does not like me to drink when we out, she's gone to bed so give me 45min and I will be

Bottle of sherry down in one is the quickest way!

 

[HandySparks]

Bottle of sherry down in one is the quickest way!

Clearly a true connoisseur. :54: :rolleyes4:

 

[egg67]

Bottle of sherry down in one is the quickest way!

just one? :26:

 

[Silly Sausage]

Well, get two bottles of QC lined up.
It's not called an aperitif for nothing!

 

[Richard Burns]

Not yet as had to take the wife out tonight, she was driving but does not like me to drink when we out, she's gone to bed so give me 45min and I will be

should be there by now then!:54:

 

[egg67]

will do, thanks for that tip all I've got to do now is find a shop that is open, we do have a small carton of red wine in cupboard that wife uses in gravy will that do? or would it be best if I just had anther JD, Got a testing job to do on monday and have to take my tester to screwfix in morning to get it calibrated would like to thank OP for telling us that they do that sort of thing do you think i will be able to get a new bulb (not lamp) for my heavy duty mains tester (neon thing that you test with to make it all safe be before you touch the black/blue or the one that some times has yellow and green on it)

 

[amckay]

Well the earth cont is ok, he had pir and after looking at certs it seems ok. I'll know better when I test it myself tho.

well after reading the shambles that have been your posts fella you have convinced me of several things:

1) you aint an electrician...

2) you aint competent...

3) yet again we have someone turning up without any test gear..(anyone remember the fella in glasgow?)...

4) something as basic as this has baffled you...and the wrong use of terminology says `DIYer` to me...

do you fail to read OPs? Had you read it properly you wouldn't have commented.
Prove I am not an electrician and prove I am not competent.
My certs speak for themselves....

 

[amckay]

A genuine question gets asked and majority of you all jump on the band wagon and start having a pop. This is a forum to help each other out when needed. If you jokers had read my OP PROPERLY then half of these smart ar$e "answers" arnt needed. More to the point I doubt you would all say stuff like that when stood toe to toe with me.
If you have no constructive crittisism to give, keep your trap shut.

 

[MDJ]

still not as pised as the OP was when he started this crap...

:smilielol5::smilielol5:Now that was funny, I gave you 2 smillies for that, hilarious lol

 

[amckay]

...my tester has been sent away for calibration with screwfix.

Hi, do you have a link to this service? I didn't know that they did this.

I dont have a link but my local branch has several 'open days' throughout the year for calibration. I can only assume each branch is different as I know it isn't screwfix who calibrate them its an external firm.

 

[dazza1981]

I dont have a link but my local branch has several 'open days' throughout the year for calibration. I can only assume each branch is different as I know it isn't screwfix who calibrate them its an external firm.

Wrong i would say it toe to toe.... plus i asked how you left the customer when you left??
No lights ???
You have had every inch of advice possible so why you crying??

 

[MDJ]

A genuine question gets asked and majority of you all jump on the band wagon and start having a pop. This is a forum to help each other out when needed. If you jokers had read my OP PROPERLY then half of these smart ar$e "answers" arnt needed. More to the point I doubt you would all say stuff like that when stood toe to toe with me.
If you have no constructive crittisism to give, keep your trap shut.

I can understand that, you are correct, however you lost me when you started talking about bulbs and voltsticks, doesn't go down well here, check out the forum name. Anyhow back to the OP, how did it end up? did you manage to get the power back on?

 

[Hawkmoon]

My neighbour asked me to put some fancy switch plates up after he decorated. So I'm screwing the plate into the back box and Bang! I mustn't of tightened a connection properly (prob should have turned circuit off too lol) :-( so I make everything ok and re energise circuit but lights for that switch won't illuminate. Change of bulbs reveals its still not working. I've used a non contact voltage detector to check there is power to the lamps and have checked continuity using a fluke t90 and some old offcut to make up the distance and continuity is fine on both L+N. I can't do IR as my tester has been sent away for calibration with screwfix.
I've never come across this before and so far I'm stumped. Any ideas where the fault lies?

Presumably the circuit worked fine before you screwed the switch back (you said that you had screwed it back after functional testing)

Then the fault must either be...

In the switch - if you had pinched the switch return with the platescrew then the switch would have carried all the fault current (apparent voltage at the light does not prove the switch is ok)
In the circuit somewhere (not the neutral) - fault current through a dodgy connection somewhere may have separated a termination.

I think the 'abuse' you have received has been because:
You worked on the switch live
You mentioned not having your test gear (often used excuse on here)
Your use of terminology
You asked on a Friday night lol

 

[MDJ]

Presumably the circuit worked fine before you screwed the switch back (you said that you had screwed it back after functional testing)

Then the fault must either be...

In the switch - if you had pinched the switch return with the platescrew then the switch would have carried all the fault current (apparent voltage at the light does not prove the switch is ok)
In the circuit somewhere (not the neutral) - fault current through a dodgy connection somewhere may have separated a termination.

I think the 'abuse' you have received has been because:
You worked on the switch live
You mentioned not having your test gear (often used excuse on here)
You asked on a Friday night lol

:smilielol5: .

 

[Plonker 3]

Seeing as the OP won't answer about what state he left the job in, I think he used 15amp fuse wire to get things working again.

 

[amckay]

Dillb as I have read a lot of your comments which all seem to be snide, and given the time each of my comments have been posted, it is apparent that you spend all/most your time on here.

To everyone else, I didn't actually fit the switch plate (2G2W) I was called coz he wired it wrong.
All lights in house are fully working.

 

[amckay]

My neighbour asked me to put some fancy switch plates up after he decorated. So I'm screwing the plate into the back box and Bang! I mustn't of tightened a connection properly (prob should have turned circuit off too lol) :-( so I make everything ok and re energise circuit but lights for that switch won't illuminate. Change of bulbs reveals its still not working. I've used a non contact voltage detector to check there is power to the lamps and have checked continuity using a fluke t90 and some old offcut to make up the distance and continuity is fine on both L+N. I can't do IR as my tester has been sent away for calibration with screwfix.
I've never come across this before and so far I'm stumped. Any ideas where the fault lies?

Presumably the circuit worked fine before you screwed the switch back (you said that you had screwed it back after functional testing)

Then the fault must either be...

In the switch - if you had pinched the switch return with the platescrew then the switch would have carried all the fault current (apparent voltage at the light does not prove the switch is ok)
In the circuit somewhere (not the neutral) - fault current through a dodgy connection somewhere may have separated a termination.

I think the 'abuse' you have received has been because:
You worked on the switch live
You mentioned not having your test gear (often used excuse on here)
Your use of terminology
You asked on a Friday night lol

Thanks hawkmoon, much appreciated.

 

[Knobhead]

15A fuse wire for lighting?

It’s probably been said because but other than your OP I’ve skimmed through the other post. You avatar seems well suited to you.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

A genuine question gets asked and majority of you all jump on the band wagon and start having a pop. This is a forum to help each other out when needed. If you jokers had read my OP PROPERLY then half of these smart ar$e "answers" arnt needed. More to the point I doubt you would all say stuff like that when stood toe to toe with me.
If you have no constructive crittisism to give, keep your trap shut.

it that rite pal?

 

[telectrix]

ey up glenn. just got up?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

do you fail to read OPs? Had you read it properly you wouldn't have commented.
Prove I am not an electrician and prove I am not competent.
My certs speak for themselves....

but your competency dont pal.....

otherwise one of the first things you would have checked after a fault would have been the switch..

but then again how could you have tested through it for continuity when YOU DIDN`T HAVE ANY TEST GEAR ON SITE.....lol

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ey up glenn. just got up?

no....

been out..then came back....