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  1. Duckcave
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    Duckcave EF Member

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    Hi, I am im in the middle of buying a house and came across this odd thing that one electrician cannot identify, Its hard wired to the consumer unit... any ideas?

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  2. Andy78
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    I would say that's a digital timeclock at first glance. What do the instruction leaflets say ?
     
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  3. telectrix
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    telectrix Scouser and Proud of It Trusted Advisor

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    underfloor heating perhaps?
     
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  4. Duckcave
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    I stupidly didnt take a snap of the instructions, was on a flying visit. The brand suggests its for or from a caravan oddly...

    I took these other pictures though and could not identify a trip nor the reason behind there being both a digital and analogue meter. This combined with the mystery timer has us very confused.
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  5. Adie moore
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    Adie moore Regular EF Member

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    Some kind of inline amp/watt meter
     
  6. Andy78
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    Are there any storage heaters in the house ?

    The enclosure was made by CEC plug in systems, a local company linked to Bonus electrical, who predominantly made gear for the local caravan manufacturing firms. It is just a plastic box in essence though and nothing to do with the timeclock as that will have been purchased separately.
     
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  7. Duckcave
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    Duckcave EF Member

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    The only thing in the house similar to this is a towel rail that is both plumbed in to central heating and mains powered.
     
  8. Murdoch
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    Murdoch Electrician's Arms

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    Is there a cess pit with a pump?
     
  9. Duckcave
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    Duckcave EF Member

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    No cess pit, no pump - its a Victorian terrace house that had a considerable extension 15 years ago. Fairly standard property.
     
  10. sean_ork
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    Greenhouse ? timed irrigation pump
     
  11. Duckcave
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    Duckcave EF Member

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    There is a garage but that has its own consumer unit ... for context - this is the house on right move.
     
  12. drzsta
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    drzsta Electrician's Arms

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    MK sentry CU with all merlin gear :rockon2:
     
  13. muzza1
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    Nice Gaff though!
     
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  14. sean_ork
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    Kinda shows some folks thought processes, monies no object making the house look nice - oh the lights works so the electrics will do
     
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  15. Martin Kerr
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    Martin Kerr Regular EF Member

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    Is that not a Sangamo time clock beside the digital meter?
     
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  16. Lagentium
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    Cannabis farm? Haha
     
  17. davesparks
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    They are actually the correct breakers for those boards, MK breakers at the time were merlin C60 but with MK branding put on the front. The earlier MK LN type MCBs were Siemens rebadged
     
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  18. drzsta
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    drzsta Electrician's Arms

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    I only bother to fit merlin gear hence the emoji in the previous post.
     
  19. slingshot2000
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    That's what I thought!
    What was the "electrician" looking at?
     
  20. darkwood
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    darkwood For it is a human number, its number is 666 Staff Member Electrician's Arms

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    The spacing factor for that trunking is looking spot on too, I take it these 'sparks' don't think it needs applying in domestic as I see this all the time.
     
  21. YoungScud
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    It's a solid-state two-rate meter and a Sangam0 80A Timeswitch, used, for example, for Economy 7 tariff. The grey wire linking the timeswitch to the meter switches the rates on the meter.
     
  22. Adam W
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    The numbers 1 to 7 at the bottom of the display suggest it could be some kind of 7 day timer. I'd be up for pushing the 'menu' button and seeing what options it offers you, or if it has an override button on it see what comes on when you operate that. Alternatively your "electrician" should have been capable of identifying what it does from what circuit it is on and possibly which direction it goes off in.

    My first impression was that it could be an energy meter to tell you how much energy you're using. Is this a possibility?
     
  23. sean_ork
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    There's a set of what looks like instructions folded up to the left of the timer, there might be a few clues within
     
  24. Andy78
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    Definitely a timer. Merlin Gerin to match the MCBs

    15720 Merlin Gerin | 7 day 1 HP 1 channel timer w/LCD display | 399-5620 | Welcome to RS Online
     
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  25. Martin Kerr
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    Get an electrician that can recognise , a basic din rail mounted electronic time clock.....
     
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  26. Duckcave
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    Right then,

    So the Sangam0 80A Timeswitch. This is for multi tariff management potentially?
    The Merlin Gerin to match the MCBs, could this be a timer for the towel rail or outside lighting or cannabis farming?
    And the consumer unit doesn't have any RCDs has it? is this effectively unsafe if there is a fault?

    This has been a really big help guys! great stuff.

     
  27. Andy78
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    My thoughts in red.
     
  28. Simonslimline
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    Simonslimline Electrician's Arms

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    Or Time switch even. :biggrin5: (sorry for nitpicking) :rolleyes2:
     
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  29. Martin Kerr
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    I stand corrected young man , figure of speech ,this neck of the woods
     
  30. andy riva
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    andy riva New EF Member

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    This is a digital time switch.
    It looks like a schneider IHP model without the plastic see through cover
    Hope this helps
     
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  31. TerminatedOnSite
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    If you buying the place to be honest with you I wouldn't bother with investigating what is hard wired to the consumer unit and wasting time investigating.
    As per last picture I assume there is no RCD protection so for safety reasons and to be able to sleep with peace of mind that my house is not a death trap I would upgrade CCU to comply with the current regulations.
    Call an electrician to come and run diagnostics he will also upgrade you earth and bonding through out the property if needed. It might be as straight forward as that. And it won't break the bank as well.
     
  32. TerminatedOnSite
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    If you buying the place to be honest with you I wouldn't bother with investigating what is hard wired to the consumer unit and wasting time investigating.
    As per last picture I assume there is no RCD protection so for safety reasons and to be able to sleep with peace of mind that my house is not a death trap I would upgrade CCU to comply with the current regulations.
    Call an electrician to come and run diagnostics he will also upgrade you earth and bonding through out the property if needed. It might be as straight forward as that. And it won't break the bank as well.
     
  33. Sparkie30
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    Mate you are 9 months too late with your reply
     
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  34. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    He's just arrived, he's catching up on all threads - saying that I did just like a post dated May 2016!
    You're everywhere at the moment @TerminatedOnSite@TerminatedOnSite - keep it up!
     
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  35. westward10
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    westward10 In echoed steps I walk across an empty dream. Electrician's Arms

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    Give me a few months I will like this one:)
     
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  36. davesparks
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    It's going a bit far to suggest that an installation without RCD protection is a death trap!

    Diagnostics? What diagnostics can you run on a house?
     
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  37. TerminatedOnSite
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    TerminatedOnSite EF Member

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    Sorry guys as Rpa07 said I'm new to the game and all over the place.

    What I meant -as irrelevant as it is now lol- by diagnostic is test the whole installation and if happy with the values Chang the CU alone (if no borrowed neutrals etc).
    If I'm buying the house myself I would rip it all out and start from scratch anyway but I love what I do and it doesn't bother me if I would rip old colors 10mm cooker cable out, even if Megger comes Hi apply, anyway I'm a fish here so give me a bit more time to fit in please

    I'm off drinking now have a fantastic 2017 lads!!
     
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  38. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    You're alright @TerminatedOnSite@TerminatedOnSite, you're just like a new puppy let off the leash for the first time. We expect you to do a little bit of wee and probably be sick at some point but you are experienced and qualified so dig in mate and happy new year puppy!
    Although from a previous unedited post where you wrote 'Andy tickle' instead of 'and tackle' it made me chortle - it may even become your nickname!
     
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  39. anthonybragg
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    anthonybragg Electrician's Arms

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    Looks like a timeclock to bring some type of heating in line with cheap rate hours.if not for outside lights just a gess
     
  40. dmxtothemax
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    dmxtothemax Regular EF Member

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    Could be a digital timer
    Or an irrigation controler
    Could even be for Christmas lights ?
     
  41. Midwest
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    Midwest Electrician's Arms

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    Who cares now :rolleyes:
     
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  42. DPG
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    DPG Electrician's Arms

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  43. Rpa07
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    Rpa07 2000 posts - only 46379 behind Telectrix! Electrician's Arms

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    Don't start - 'it up again'!
     
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