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and Maggie T decided she wanted to break the Unionsour mining industry really prospered when the Germans started selling us coal cheaper than we could produce it,
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and Maggie T decided she wanted to break the Unionsour mining industry really prospered when the Germans started selling us coal cheaper than we could produce it,
and Maggie TScargill decided he wanted tobreak the Unionsbring down the government
Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.corrected that for you.
ToshIsn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.
bring back the steam engine trains. re-open all the coal mines to feed their boilers, british engineering at it's best.Isn’t that the same thing? Scargill of the Unions wanted to bring down the government and Maggie T wouldn’t stand for it. Wish they’d do the same with the rail unions. Bit like Brexit. A few years of pain but a cheaper non profit public transport system to boost the economy.
I explain why this is a factual thing and why it demonstrates the problems many people have with the EU. Its a fact that the EU representative says they want a EU military (see video link) Mr Cleg stated that it was a totally "fantasy" that there were plans for a EU military, again check out the video link, the point being that many people all over the EU do not want closer political union they are quite happy to be trading partners and have many other agreements that benefit each other.Heres a quick fact for you " Michel Barnier says the EU needs a 'common foreign policy and common defence' - despite Nick Clegg warning that the idea of an EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy' " both men can be viewed making their comments here and here,
The vote was mainly on the state of the UK in the EU in its current form and specifically about control of immigration
The rights and wrongs of what may or may not mould the future EU was almost irrelevant to the discussion about the vote to leave I could start digging around and researching more actual facts to support my opinion that we as a nation would better out of the EU super state but I have many better things to do.
Sorry you lost me here, I acknowledge that "maybe" my words had previously not been helpful to a sensible debate.you have said that which is a shame because you started with something that looks like the start of a factual intelligent argument, I learnt my lesson not to allow silly comments into a discussion.
Looks to me as though you failed miserably with censoring of your own insults
Please give me good arguments of why we should have stayed in the EU, give me facts of why it would have been better. Don't give me your opinion because your entitled to that and I can not argue against it, don't blame generations of the population for having an opinion and being arsed to go and vote on it.
Saw this on twitter this morning and it summed up the way things are atm enjoy.
I didn’t know I could do that but to be honest, it wouldn’t have been as much fun would it.You can set a pole up within a thread so members can tick the appropriate box, think that may have suited your inquiry better.
That is opinion though - the fact is that the EU has changed, from a trade bloc to a meddling unelected federal body which has changed the face of Britain - the EU has brought about a situation where you mainly hear foreign voices in the street, where employers say they can no longer run their businesses without migrant workers, competition for property has pushed prices up beyond the means of many people who were born here, meaning people are faced with the prospect of living in digs for the rest of their lives if they haven't spent their working life saving up for their house back home.I'll give you a fact, not my opinion.
Things would of stayed as they were.
There you go.
Now can you give me any facts as to how we will be better off when we leave please?
Oh and by the way, I found your cartoon quite offensive.
Most of that has sod all to do with the EU.That is opinion though - the fact is that the EU has changed, from a trade bloc to a meddling unelected federal body which has changed the face of Britain - the EU has brought about a situation where you mainly hear foreign voices in the street, where employers say they can no longer run their businesses without migrant workers, competition for property has pushed prices up beyond the means of many people who were born here, meaning people are faced with the prospect of living in digs for the rest of their lives if they haven't spent their working life saving up for their house back home.
Nobody knows for certain if we'll be better off when we leave, but the general consensus is that things can't keep going the way they are.
Would you care to expand on that?Most of that has sod all to do with the EU.
why not.even non-eU migrants come here through europe, let'em in then move them on and dump them in UK has been EU policy for years.Most of that has sod all to do with the EU.
In the 80s Maggie Thatcher and the Tories gave Council Tenants the right to buy, whilst preventing Councils from using the proceeds from the sales to build more properties.Would you care to expand on that?
Most of that has sod all to do with anything - that was 30 years ago and Maggie Thatcher died 5 years ago; you can't keep blaming her for everything.In the 80s Maggie Thatcher and the Tories gave Council Tenants the right to buy, whilst preventing Councils from using the proceeds from the sales to build more properties.
The resulting housing shortage and increased demand for housing has led to the escalation in house prices.
Maggie Thatcher and the Tories also decided to sell off all our nationalised industries for a fraction of their worth, resulting in our losing the millions of pounds of profit from those industries, the foreign ownership of those industries, a higher burden on our taxes and a reduction in public services.
Maggie Thatcher and the Tories also introduced competitive tendering, which resulted in an increase in foreign ownership, a decrease in wages, a decrease in the quality of work, an increase in costs, a higher burden on our taxes and a further reduction in public services.
Maggie Thatcher personally signed the freedom of movement agreement, which resulted in an increase in migrant workers from the EU, a further lowering of wages, an increase in the demand for housing and an increase on the demand for public services.
All this happened in the 80s, when the EU was still the EEC, just a trade block.
That was just the start.Most of that has sod all to do with anything - that was 30 years ago and Maggie Thatcher died 5 years ago; you can't keep blaming her for everything.
In the 80s Maggie Thatcher and the Tories gave Council Tenants the right to buy, whilst preventing Councils from using the proceeds from the sales to build more properties.
The resulting housing shortage and increased demand for housing has led to the escalation in house prices.
i have to disagree with that. once tenants had purchased their council houses, they were no longer prospective tenants, sohow could that lead to a housing shortage? 1 less councilhouse available, but 1 less family wanting council rented accomodation.
Maggie Thatcher and the Tories also decided to sell off all our nationalised industries for a fraction of their worth, resulting in our losing the millions of pounds of profit from those industries, the foreign ownership of those industries, a higher burden on our taxes and a reduction in public services.
you mean the huge losses incurred by these overstaffed inefficient industries
Maggie Thatcher and the Tories also introduced competitive tendering, which resulted in an increase in foreign ownership, a decrease in wages, a decrease in the quality of work, an increase in costs, a higher burden on our taxes and a further reduction in public services.
i can agree partially with this statement.
Maggie Thatcher personally signed the freedom of movement agreement, which resulted in an increase in migrant workers from the EU, a further lowering of wages, an increase in the demand for housing and an increase on the demand for public services.
All this happened in the 80s, when the EU was still the EEC, just a trade block.
So what do you think should be done about this crisis of yours?In 1965, my mum purchased a new build 2 bedroom flat for £3,000. She obtained a fixed rate mortgage from the newly formed GLC.
In 1969, my parents sold the flat for £5,000 and purchased a 3/4 bedroom house for £9,000. The two rear bedrooms had been converted into a kitchenette and bed sitting room.
My Paternal grandparents at the time were living in a Council 3 bed maisonette.
Following the death of my grandmother and the emigration to Canada of my Grandfather in 1975/6, the Council wrote to my Father and offered him the tenancy of my grandparents’ maisonette.
Although when my Grandparents first took up residency of the Maisonette, they had my Aunt living with them, for the majority of their tenancy they did not require 3 or even 2 bedrooms.
Today the Council would move them out to a 1 bed property in no time at all.
Surviving children of deceased tennants have always been able to inherit tenancies.
However, I have never heard of an instance where a tenancy was offered to someone living somewhere other than at the address of the tenancy.
Today even someone living at the address would have to fight to inherit the tenancy.
I can only assume, that at that time, during the 60s and 70s, there was no housing shortage in the area.
I personally know that housing policy in the area has changed since the beginning of the 80s.
Prospective tenants were allowed to refuse as many offers of tenancy as they wanted and still maintain their place on the waiting list. Over time this has been reduced to two offers, to one offer to now, no right of refusal.
In fact local Councils are now offering prospective tenants tenancies in other cities with no right of refusal.
Someone who has lived in Leyton all their lives and now needs Council accommodation, will not be offered somewhere local, perhaps in a neighbouring area, such as Leytonstone, Walthamstow, etc. instead they will be offered somewhere in Oldham or Manchester, even Barrow in Furness.
Some people will say, we have had an increase in our population.
In actual fact, the indigenous population is decreasing.
The population of the UK decreased from the 60s to the mid 70s, when it started to slightly increase again.
From 1985 (just after Thatcher signed the freedom of movement agreement) the population has been steadily increasing, mainly due to immigration.
To cap it all, Thatcher introduced a policy which reduced public housing, at the same time signed an agreement which increased immigration and over 70% of MPs that are landlords are Tory.
We no longer have a housing shortage, it’s now a housing crisis.
Since the Brexit vote, immigration has declined.So what do you think should be done about this crisis of yours?
Have a pop at the Tories? Dance on Margaret Thatcher's grave? Build more council estates in London?
Back on topic, could it help if fewer people from all over the world came to live in London thinking the streets are paved with gold? In other words an end to the free movement of people.
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