Who do you give the EIC or MWC to?

[Octopus]

I'm coming across more and more clients who have Part P "certificate" but they haven't been given an EIC (or in some cases a MWC).

Irrespective of who "orders" the work, I always give a copy to the home owner .....

What do others do?

Just wondering................... if I am wasting my time doing the certs?

 

[westward10]

Exactly what you do, the home owner or client ordering the works.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

The person who ordered the work.

 

[ED17]

Mine go to the client as named on the cert.

 

[Midwest]

Likewise, but I've only ever come across one new customer that had been given a certificate for previous work, carried out by others.

 

[Octopus]

The person who ordered the work.

So if you are working for a builder, what's the point in giving it to them?

 

[Midwest]

So if you are working for a builder, what's the point in giving it to them?

Suppose the person who has asked for the work to be done is the client, unless the builder is constructing multiples of houses.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

I have been a qualified electrician for 32 years and in all that time i have never issued a MWC. Why,you ask? Nobody has ever asked me for one.I have my annual NIC inspection and they never ask to see any so why bother? I issue completion certificates and do EICR's which get a condition report but MWC...nope.I think you guy's are wasting your evenings filling them out.

 

[DPG]

I have been a qualified electrician for 32 years and in all that time i have never issued a MWC. Why,you ask? Nobody has ever asked me for one.I have my annual NIC inspection and they never ask to see any so why bother? I issue completion certificates and do EICR's which get a condition report but MWC...nope.I think you guy's are wasting your evenings filling them out.

Never issued them, or never filled any in at all?

 

[ED17]

Minor Works are the easiest ones to do. I like them.

 

[Octopus]

I have been a qualified electrician for 32 years and in all that time i have never issued a MWC. Why,you ask? Nobody has ever asked me for one.I have my annual NIC inspection and they never ask to see any so why bother? I issue completion certificates and do EICR's which get a condition report but MWC...nope.I think you guy's are wasting your evenings filling them out.

Really, never... So what do you do if you add a socket or light to an existing circuit .......?

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

Do the job,do all the tests to make sure it's safe and get paid.
I am being serious when i say that no customers in 32 years have ever asked for a MWC.
The NIC/EIC have NEVER said 'Can we see your MWC certificates,please?'.
So if even they don't place much importance on them.
Nobody bothers with them so why should i spend time filling them in? As long as the job has been tested and deemed safe by myself then it's onto the next job

 

[Midwest]

Really, every time I have my assessment (Elecsa), the assessors cherry picks them, be it MW or EIC. If you can get away without doing them, well lucky you. That said, your obviously keeping records, why not a MW?

 

[ED17]

So if your customer doesn't ask for a completion cert do you not issue one?

 

[Ian1981]

To be fair they take all of 10 minutes to fill out and can be kept as a record of alterations/maintenance which can be helpful to anyone else who comes along possibly during an eicr

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

I issue completion certificates if i change a consumer unit(and notify part 'p') and also if i have done a full rewire(which obviously includes a consumer unit).
But if i am called to add a couple of sockets or change a light fitting then i wouldn't issue any sort of certification.I can sometimes be doing 5-6 small jobs a day so my office work at night would be huge.It's bad enough having to fill out EICR's and issue invoices at night without adding to the workload.

 

[Strima]

Take a look at chapter 63, you should be providing certification including minor works.

I issue a lot of MWC, partly because some of my customers require one and also it provides a record of work done in case of future problems/faults.

 

[Octopus]

Interesting responses so far ............

For the record I do not issue a MWC for a like to like replacement (buy will note the Zs on the invoice)

 

[Ian1981]

I wouldn't issue one for maintenance such as like for like replacements but an additional socket and additional light then I would.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I issue MW for small installs but never for replacements. I take my hat off to Saint Bob if he can get away with it....it's all a PITA. The less paper work the better life is.

 

[Risteard]

So if you are working for a builder, what's the point in giving it to them?

Because you are required to by BS7671.

 

[Midwest]

I came across a fault today, no continuity (r1 and rn) on a socket on supposed RFC. I was just moving existing socket from one wall to an adjacent wall. The property has had a recent A3 CU replacement, which you would of thought, picked this up. Owner on hols, but I have a sneaky suspicion, by the workmanship, not suggesting such of you Bob, that there is not a cert to refer to.

EIC, MW or anything to look at respectively is useful IMO. Don't get me wrong Bob, when I did this stuff in the last century, I didn't have a test meter, and certificates were something you got as an apprentice.

 

[Octopus]

Because you are required to by BS7671.

Hum........ if a builder is extending a house, the person "ordering" the work is the home owner surely?

What would the average builder do with a pile of EIC's and MWC's?

 

[Midwest]

Because you are required to by BS7671.

Mr Black & Whites back

 

[Risteard]

Hum........ if a builder is extending a house, the person "ordering" the work is the home owner surely?

No - of course not. The person ordering the electrical installation work is likely the main contractor unless the owner directly engaged you.

 

[Ian1981]

The builder should then give any certification given by the subcontractors whether it be electrical , gas etc to the customer, and remember to retain your copies

 

[Toneyz]

The builder should be keeping a copy and giving the original certificates to the person ordering the work to them i.e. the homeowner etc.