!8th Edition - will it be a new mandatory qualification

[JK-Electrical]

I reckon these people who set up the certificate shops/ training centres where you go in and a few weeks later come out as a supposed qualified domestic electrician have the right idea.
If you know enough to teach the basics then you can set up as a city and guilds centre and offer the courses so newbies can join the likes of elecsa and niceic.
They charge around 2.5 to 3k a per person, so say 6 every week starting .Thats quite a cash turnover.... You wouldn't need many students through the door to have a nice retirement.
It pays a lot more than working as an electrician. they will be rubbing their hands together with the new 18th edition. a right money making opportunity with a captive market.

Aye .... Tony Cable evidently realised this decades ago .....

"For the first time in 60 years the changes to the regulations won’t affect me as I’ll be retired. In some ways I’ll be sad about this as I’ve always looked forward to the latest changes – mainly because, for the last 36 years, I’ve been earning my living from researching them and putting together lesson plans, lectures and seminars to pass on my knowledge to help you all out there.."

 

[JK-Electrical]

They're already planning the first amendment * sighs *

"my spies tell me that they’re already working on amendment number 1 of the 18th Edition. The main reason for this is because our industry is evolving so quickly, with the regulations (somehow) having to keep up with all changes and any new products that come onto the market."

 

[davesparks]

Sinc when has BS7671 been Mandatory? it's a design / advisory document to help you comply with the EAW ACT which is mandatory, cus it's an ACT

It has been effectively mandatory in domestic installations since the introduction of part P

 

[7029 dave]

Mandatory or statutory, IMO your arse would be in a sling, if you was to deviate from bs7671.

 

[KennyKen]

I'm way far behind.. was 16th Edition. Lol

 

[telectrix]

I'm way far behind.. was 16th Edition. Lol

the last sensible edition, IMO.

 

[Ian1981]

Mandatory or statutory, IMO your arse would be in a sling, if you was to deviate from bs7671.

Tho you can depart from the regulations as long as it's noted and safety is not less than that given in bs7671 but yeah I see your point, literally the BYB will be thrown at you !

 

[Ian1981]

Mandatory or statutory, IMO your arse would be in a sling, if you was to deviate from bs7671.

Tho you can depart from the regulations as long as it's noted and safety is not less than that given in bs7671 but yeah I see your point, literally the BYB will be thrown at you !

 

[davesparks]

the last sensible edition, IMO.

I think they hit their peak of sensibility around the 13th/14th edition,

 

[Ian1981]

why was 6mm bonding the norm years ago?
Was it because most domestic supplies were limited to 60/80 amp supplies or did numerous problems occur on say tncs installations prompting a review of the CSA sized.
Quite interested to know what the older generation of electricians on here think about the past and present requirements and in particular the most over the top regulations altered/changed

 

[Pete999]

why was 6mm bonding the norm years ago?
Was it because most domestic supplies were limited to 60/80 amp supplies or did numerous problems occur on say tncs installations prompting a review of the CSA sized.
Quite interested to know what the older generation of electricians on here think about the past and present requirements and in particular the most over the top regulations altered/changed

Blimey when I was out of my time working for The SWEB we used to install a lot of water heaters, nearest water pipe was the earth electrode, bonding what was that?

 

[Ian1981]

Blimey when I was out of my time working for The SWEB we used to install a lot of water heaters, nearest water pipe was the earth electrode, bonding what was that?

A change for the better tho pete?

 

[Pete999]

A change for the better tho pete?

Yes, my last job before I went Civil Service was on a new Hotel by the River Avon in Bath, all MICC install, the bloke in charge had us bond every sink washhand basin or Bath, hot to cold to waste regardless, all the baths had bonding tags on them and woe betide if you missed any, from one extreme to the other, happy days.

 

[davesparks]

the use of the water main as the means of earthing was fine, up until they started using plastic water mains. In the days when it was just one massive network of buried metal it provided an excellent and stable earth connection.

 

[Pete999]

the use of the water main as the means of earthing was fine, up until they started using plastic water mains. In the days when it was just one massive network of buried metal it provided an excellent and stable earth connection.

How times change.

 

[Ian1981]

Yes, my last job before I went Civil Service was on a new Hotel by the River Avon in Bath, all MICC install, the bloke in charge had us bond every sink washhand basin or Bath, hot to cold to waste regardless, all the baths had bonding tags on them and woe betide if you missed any, from one extreme to the other, happy days.

Was that in the days of the 15th edition were every bit of metal work required bonding?
16th edition was when I was serving my time, funny enough it was the yellow book/edition as well before it went to brown.
Thought direct and indirect contact was a pretty good definition until they changed it.

 

[Ian1981]

the use of the water main as the means of earthing was fine, up until they started using plastic water mains. In the days when it was just one massive network of buried metal it provided an excellent and stable earth connection.

Would you say that gas pipes still require bonding when it's plastic pipe buried outside.
Meter on the wall in an external cupboard but copper straight through the wall and into the premises. ?
Some meters do sit in a floor box tho

 

[Pete999]

Was that in the days of the 15th edition were every bit of metal work required bonding?
16th edition was when I was serving my time, funny enough it was the yellow book/edition as well before it went to brown.
Thought direct and indirect contact was a pretty good definition until they changed it.

This was in the late 60s early 70s, got involved in the construction industry general strike, crossing picket lines, and all that, nearly Married at that stage

 

[Deleted member 26818]

People need to find a College which will allow them to just sit the exam.

 

[Pete999]

People need to find a College which will allow them to just sit the exam.

Agree but unless the College provides the myriad of books required it's still going to cost megabucks, in hindsight it will only be the BS7671 wont it? and the ability to read.