Advice wanted - unhappy with rewire

[KEV 1 N]

You got a disagree because testing would have not likely shown this up, proper inspection might have.

Yeah I said it’s Debatable, and yes I should have said “Inspection and Testing” . At the end of the day they’ve obviously not did the tug test when 2nd fixing and the result is the line cable came out when the socket was disturbed.
I’ve tested numerous ring circuits and most are usually ok, but there have been a few with “open” continuity on either line, neutral or earth or even all! Some with significant difference between line and neutral or earth eg N = 0.65ohms but live would be say 200ohms! Obviously not open, but a slight touching contact at some point in the circuit.

 

[buzzlightyear]

The cables should still have something over them, capping, tube or the like

yeah ,like what a bandage .LOL.

 

[spark 68]

I agree, if humans were infallible then we would not need to T&I

 

[KEV 1 N]

I agree, if humans were infallible then we would not need to T&I

TBH I’d be very surprised if ANY T&I was done to this job, and if it was they’d probably used a bingo machine to come up with the numbers!

 

[Rpa07]

But we don’t know that!

TBH I’d be very surprised if ANY T&I was done to this job, and if it was they’d probably used a bingo machine to come up with the numbers!

This thread should have been started 1/2hr before the spark was due to pop around to see the OP Sarah!
We’ve done what we normally do and fuelled the situation! Will we ever learn ?

 

[KEV 1 N]

But we don’t know that!

This thread should have been started 1/2hr before the spark was due to pop around to see the OP Sarah!
We’ve done what we normally do and fuelled the situation! Will we ever learn ?

Just as well we’re not Judges in court of law.....we’d have them hanged before they took they took the oath!

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

If you dont get three quotes for any work over a few hundred quid then your crazy imo.

Never go with a quote to cheap, your going to end up woth ----.

 

[Midwest]

Yeah tug test won't find every problematic termination, but it finds enough to be worth the 10 seconds it takes to do it, especially with multiple conductors into one terminal. It's no substitute for good workmanship, inspection and testing just complementary.

Oh yawn.

 

[Midwest]

I just quickly glanced at the thread title, as I was reading your replies.

Could of sworn it said ' Advice wanted- unhappy with wife'.

OP got bored after page 5. Who can blame her.

 

[Rpa07]

I just quickly glanced at the thread title, as I was reading your replies.

Could of sworn it said ' Advice wanted- unhappy with wife'.

OP got bored after page 5. Who can blame her.

Agreed, there are more posts than ‘I say You say’!

 

[KEV 1 N]

Nothing like a long drawn out thread!

 

[johnduffell]

Oh yawn.

Either you misunderstood my post or you're rude. My "yeah" was expressing agreement with your post for a start.

I don't mind disagreeing with people at all if i can learn something new. It's not like I've made a similar post previously is it?

 

[Spoon]

Because they should actually give a damn about people doing work in their house that could, if not done correctly kill someone.

People do give a damn. My reply "Why would the general public be asking for insurance, competence & quals.... They expect that the electrician will have all the relevant stuff to do the job, otherwise they would not be doing it.
Yes, this is not always the case in real life, but it's what they would expect." is still true.

 

[spark 68]

Take no mind to Essex he is in his own little world playing with his train set

 

[spark 68]

@ Essex, Hi Neill hope you are playing nice

 

[Sarah123]

Wow! I'm amazed at the amount of responses - I only just realised another 4 pages of them are on here. Thank you! I've read them all through and here are answers to the questions in there.

The quote was for just under £3000. We had a second quote for £2600. We went for the higher because they had much 100% positive feedback on the site we hired them from and feedback on previous rewires that they'd done. I met both the guys and they seemed genuine and I trusted them. They also had a long list of qualifications that they had. One strange thing I have since noticed was that the name on the site isn't the name of the guys who did the installation, but the mobile number is theirs. Not sure that's a problem, but I did list it as one of the issues on my email to him. They're part of the NICEIC and their company is registered on their.

We haven't been living at the property, so they definitely could have left it after first fix. We are due to move in on Wednesday though, and not feeling confident about the safety. We're hoping they will be bringing some paperwork with them this evening to at least prove to us proper testing was done. Otherwise i guess we'll have to get another electrician in to test the sockets/ fittings.

 

[telectrix]

think now is the time to liase with the electricians. tell them of your concerns, sort it out between you. some of the posts here have been negative, but only you are there. raise any concerns you have with them, if they are anything like good sparks, they will sort out the issues amicably.

 

[Midwest]

Either you misunderstood my post or you're rude. My "yeah" was expressing agreement with your post for a start.

I don't mind disagreeing with people at all if i can learn something new. It's not like I've made a similar post previously is it?

Me rude. How very dare you.

 

[Sarah123]

think now is the time to liase with the electricians. tell them of your concerns, sort it out between you. some of the posts here have been negative, but only you are there. raise any concerns you have with them, if they are anything like good sparks, they will sort out the issues amicably.

Thanks - yep this is certainly what we're hoping for.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I think you will be alright, i think mr plasterer has caused. Your socket to melt and is trying to put the lads in the brpwn stuff.

 

[remedial]

any update?

for what its worth, my opinion is that while it may be totally safe and technically acceptable, they have cut corners to save time, which will result in a poor finish.

 

[rapparee]

any update?

for what its worth, my opinion is that while it may be totally safe and technically acceptable, they have cut corners to save time, which will result in a poor finish.

The plasterer cut corners, the spark could have a legitimate excuse for routing the SWA in front of the skirting board. We can't see behind it.

 

[Rpa07]

Plasterer . . . . Spark there’s only one way!

 

[MJPD29]

Realistically the work could be fine and nothing in the pictures bar the loose cable suggests anything is actually wrong. Yes, maybe rough cutting out and I would have used conduit but there's nothing that indicates it is dangerous. I even see a grommet on the box so it can't be that bad...

 

[MJPD29]

Also your plasterer is rubbish

 

[Sarah123]

any update?

for what its worth, my opinion is that while it may be totally safe and technically acceptable, they have cut corners to save time, which will result in a poor finish.

Yep I think you're right on that one. They came Monday and sorted the sockets that had issues and have provided the certificates to show all relevant checks were done. They claimed a miscommunication and that they thought I wanted it all done in one go. Like you say the final product doesn't look great, but at least I can feel confident it's safe as we moved in yesterday. All in all wouldn't recommend them or use them again. Thanks for everyone's input

 

[DPG]

Glad things are looking more positive. Thanks for letting us know.

 

[Des 56]

[QUOTE="essex, post: 1510925, member: 107635" I am not saying it is ok to rip someone off but I am saying that expectations of work quality will be linked to the price paid.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys.[/QUOTE]

What a load of nonsense
Using that logic the more someone is prepared to pay the higher the standard of work that is expected

I personally have always kept my prices as low as possible whilst maintaining my work standard at the upper end of high when compared to most others

It has also been well documented that high prices tend to be the remit of many if not all cowboy companies

 

[spark 68]

Exactly Des,
If the spark had charged on the low side it would have been pay peanuts yada yada, if he had charged high then it would have been rip-off merchant, I don't see how the electrical firm could have won a fair trial on here
the plasterer looked crap but I digress, Essex knows F-all anyway so I am just ignoring him as ever/per usual , just like the good ol' days

 

[spynage]

I fill all my chases as standard. Feel stupid now with everyone saying its not a bad job. Why is that consumer unit practically sitting on the floor? To the OP how much did the job cost?

 

[Stuey]

this is how it should look.

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this is how it should look.

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[Stuey]

I hope this isn't one of yours ! Ring main Earths are one cable per terminal not two as in your picture

 

[telectrix]

I hope this isn't one of yours ! Ring main Earths are one cable per terminal not two as in your picture

if you're referring to my last post/pic., then you're talking bolloX. separating the cpc's between terminals is only required with a hi-integrity earthing circuit. eg. with computers. check your eggs regs. and come back with a reason for your comment.

 

[westward10]

I rarely use both earth terminals.

 

[telectrix]

just checked stuey's profile. he's new here. a good spanking and a megger on his testes will sort him out. .

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

I never use both earth teminals unless swapping and they wont reach.

 

[Midwest]

just checked stuey's profile. he's new here. a good spanking and a megger on his testes will sort him out. .

You wanna be careful saying things like that. SWD would have a field day.

 

[Stuey]

if you're referring to my last post/pic., then you're talking bolloX. separating the cpc's between terminals is only required with a hi-integrity earthing circuit. eg. with computers. check your eggs regs. and come back with a reason for your comment.

 

[Stuey]

if you're referring to my last post/pic., then you're talking bolloX. separating the cpc's between terminals is only required with a hi-integrity earthing circuit. eg. with computers. check your eggs regs. and come back with a reason for your comment.

My reason is common sense most electronic devices use switchmode transformers which filter to earth .The regs state " which can be reasonably be expected to exceed 10ma " .Well it's your choice mate .But considering socket outlets come with two terminals !
It appears you have over reacted to a quite Justified statement .It wasn't meant as an insult to your work sorry if you took it that way . 543.7.2 ( 18 )

 

[Midwest]

I've wanted to know how putting the RFC cpc's in separate earth terminals, assist in high integrity earthing, if someone could help me out.

 

[Kojak]

Call building control at your local council, tell them whats happend and ask how to enforce your consumer rights.

 

[telectrix]

I've wanted to know how putting the RFC cpc's in separate earth terminals, assist in high integrity earthing, if someone could help me out.

ssssimplees it's in case 1 falls out due to incompetent installation.

 

[telectrix]

My reason is common sense most electronic devices use switchmode transformers which filter to earth .The regs state " which can be reasonably be expected to exceed 10ma " .Well it's your choice mate .But considering socket outlets come with two terminals !
It appears you have over reacted to a quite Justified statement .It wasn't meant as an insult to your work sorry if you took it that way . 543.7.2 ( 18 )

no offence taken, but you should research as to why the cpcs should be separated betweed 2 terminals.

 

[Stuey]

I've wanted to know how putting the RFC cpc's in separate earth terminals, assist in high integrity earthing, if someone could help me out.

no offence taken, but you should research as to why the cpcs should be separated betweed 2 terminals.

Again no offence meant .But I have .This has become more of an issue in domestic Installations with the popularity in Led lighting and other newer electronic devices now using filtered PSU's . The main point is safety due to possible earth current transfer from device to device either resulting in capacitor induced shock or even fire . As someone else has stated this can result from a bad connection either by a high resistance connection, mechanical damage or possible capacitor failure within the device itself .

 

[AJshep]

There is no need to seperate earth terminals on a Domestic install. You are right Stuey in what you say but lets not take things to the extreme.
This sounds like regurgitated carp from some college lecturer.
Switching PSUs are a slight problem we are all aware DC equipment has a higher earth leakage but how many does the average house have ?
Do you know how this installation is used by looking at a picture ? This install could be a elderly couple house, not a hackers house with multiple USB sockets and PSUs plugged in.
Led lighting is not usually applicable to either as this on the lighting circuit.

Lets not jump in and insult someones work, leave all this rubbish to the Facebook groups

 

[richy3333]

I hope this isn't one of yours ! Ring main Earths are one cable per terminal not two as in your picture

It’s not a fudging ring main!

 

[John Arnold]

What a terrible installation. Massive holes made for sockets really bad looks like they used an angle grinder to cut those and damaged the skirting board to. Height of consumer unit far too low eye level please. Where is the covering protection over the wiring?telectrix so right mate. That loose wire has no screw markings on it I guess it was not secured?You have my sympathy I hope they come back and correct their faults and give you your certificate( do not hold your breath).

 

[holychihuahua]

I have seen that type of plug burn before. When a plug on a small fan heater gets stood on and brocken any plug to hand is fitted on the heater as a replacement. The trouble is the replacement plug is not the same grade of plastic as the original and melts. That burn damage is on the builder or plasterer not the electrican.

 

[Astris]

Interesting to note the various comments from working electricians ... not a consistent set of comments. I think the polite ones are valid and illustrate that there is room for interpretation. One man's masterpiece is another man's pile of ****!
Are the metal boxes earthed?
Sharing or not sharing earth terminals on a ring cpc is something of a red herring in this context. I think that the reason that high integrity earths are run separately is because computer and other similar equipment (including switched mode PSUs) use filters to meet RFI specifications (to control imported and exported RF noise). They employ filters that connect reactive components (capacitors and inductors) between line conductors and the cpc and this can induce RF currents in the cpc cable linking the equipment to the system ground point. If we really care about controlling RF noise, we should avoid the use of any ring circuits at all and have one system ground point to which all cpcs are connected directly to the ground point in a star network.

 

[telectrix]

the purpose of separating the cpc's into separate terminals is in case 1 becomes loose or snapped, you'll still have earthing (protective and functional) to equipment .