basic and fault protection

[Zebra Stripe]

Hey Dave your human side almost showed there
I made up the biological bit you'd swipe with one blow, but it sounded feasible.

I wAs told at school that all I'd amount to would be an electrician and they were right lol

 

[davesparks]

My apprentices have never taken issue with me

 

[mayfair]

Only problem Dave has is that heavy chip he carries round on his shoulder

 

[davesparks]

Chip? me? not that i'm aware of.

 

[Zebra Stripe]

Hey Dave, it aint a chip its a field full of potatoes :teeth_smile:

 

[Zebra Stripe]

My apprentices have never taken issue with me

Probably starving to death on the meager wages and potatoe droppings from the potatoes they have to carry and hold aloft onto your shoulders, maybe theyre too week to mutter "but Dave please help us we're dying" or "Dave why do we have to do an apprenticeship and work for potatoe shavings"......only kidding I bet your like a father figure really:ihih:

 

[JasonL]

Well when I was an apprentice there was this earthworm once

I have yet to kill any people, have been called to a house where a dad had put his 2 year old daughter in hospital by carrying out some dangerous DIY and her receiving an electric shock from it. But hey, domestic is easy isn't it, any fool can do it after reading some books and taking advice from a forum!

I'm glad for that dig, it's less frustrating than the weird, thinly veiled, pretentious elitism you've had going on previously. I'm sure it is easy, I'm sure commercial is easy, I'll find out soon and I hope I won't get this weird entitlement thing you all seem to have. Literally just electricians.

 

[davesparks]

Probably starving to death on the meager wages and potatoe droppings from the potatoes they have to carry and hold aloft onto your shoulders, maybe theyre too week to mutter "but Dave please help us we're dying" or "Dave why do we have to do an apprenticeship and work for potatoe shavings"......only kidding I bet your like a father figure really:ihih:

Were you treated badly as an apprentice?

As far as I am concerned an apprentice is employed to learn a trade. Any idiot can chase boxes into walls, carry toolboxes and make the tea, that's why I'll generally do that whilst keeping an eye on the apprentice as they do the electrical bits.

 

[davesparks]

I'm glad for that dig, it's less frustrating than the weird, thinly veiled, pretentious elitism you've had going on previously. I'm sure it is easy, I'm sure commercial is easy, I'll find out soon and I hope I won't get this weird entitlement thing you all seem to have. Literally just electricians.

That wasn't a dig at you or anyone, other than the idiot who hospitalized his daughter perhaps.

There is no intentional elitism in my posts.
There is a massive problem in the industry with substandard work and training. This is not the fault of someone like yourself who is on the receiving end if this training.
The fault lies with those who provide substandard training and convince people that they can qualify as electricians within a few weeks or without years of practical training and experience.

 

[Zebra Stripe]

Were you treated badly as an apprentice?

As far as I am concerned an apprentice is employed to learn a trade. Any idiot can chase boxes into walls, carry toolboxes and make the tea, that's why I'll generally do that whilst keeping an eye on the apprentice as they do the electrical bits.

Hey Dave, I was being facetious.....you sound like the ideal boss, and it sounds like your aprentice is in good hands, its just sometimes on here you come across as an arrogant ****.....but maybe me, so I will but out...:smile5:

 

[jaypp]

It's true that electrics aren't rocket science but that doesn't mean that anyone should 'have a go'. We all know why electrical work is carried out in particular methods and to certain standards, which can only be learnt 'hands on' and 'over time'. Personally I don't think a formal apprenticeship is the only way to become an electrician, but I may be biased!!
One positive thing that seems to be overlooked regarding theoretical knowledge prior to practical training, is an understanding of 'why' good practice, testing and so forth is important for safety of persons,...etc etc, although I'm sure an apprentice would get this from their mentor.
I see both sides but strongly agree, practical experience and plenty of it, is a must.

edit; it might as well be rocket science for me!:dozey:

 

[davesparks]

I believe I have said all along that an apprenticeship could be either formal or informal.
The important thing is practical experience and training with a good tradesman.

My last 'apprentice' was informal. She had completed a 5 week wonder course and asked if she could spend a couple of weeks working on a particular job with me to get a bit of experience. This evolved into her working with me for the next 6 months until she got a job working as an electrician for a big company, with a good reference from me.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Yeah, you're pretty much there.

Basic protection is insulation, barriers, enclosures, placing out of reach and SELV/FELV/PELV.

Fault protection is use of RCD's, earthing etc...

RCD's are also classified as additional protection just to confuse you a little

obstacles as well...