Brief help from the industrial guys on required quals (415v)

[Jon T]

If your guys are reconnecting or connecting replacement motors then they should ideally be competent to test the installation.

Thanks, that's what I'm after, just certification to prove their competence. They're well versed in the operation of the items, but just wanted to know what they'd need to be able to connect power back to boxes etc. I think, from what I've read so far, that this NICEIC Safe Isolation course should cover it (as suggested by spinlondon). It's obviously all an exercise in keep us covered in the event of being queried by H&S/HSE. If any of the men aren't deemed competent then they're not touching anyway from the get-go.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks, that's what I'm after, just certification to prove their competence. They're well versed in the operation of the items, but just wanted to know what they'd need to be able to connect power back to boxes etc. I think, from what I've read so far, that this NICEIC Safe Isolation course should cover it (as suggested by spinlondon). It's obviously all an exercise in keep us covered in the event of being queried by H&S/HSE. If any of the men aren't deemed competent then they're not touching anyway from the get-go.

All very laudable Jon but the NICEIC course is for Domestic installations I believe, Spin has indicated, which although probably very good it wont be much good for your Lads working on 3 phase stuff.

 

[Jon T]

All very laudable Jon but the NICEIC course is for Domestic installations I believe, Spin has indicated, which although probably very good it wont be much good for your Lads working on 3 phase stuff.

There are industrial/commercial versions

 

[Pete999]

There are industrial/commercial versions

Oh OK then I'll take my comments back, sorry Lads

 

[Bobster]

Isolation training will deem them competent to lock equipment off.

It will not deem them competent to be reconnecting motors.

Yes it's not difficult to physically disconnect a motor and reconnect a new one. However proving it is safe, that the motor protection is ok, are the cables ok etc etc... Just because it was working does not mean it was correct before hand.

You aren't going to find a short course to cover what it sounds like you want.

Also working in Quarries, you know that the electrical work falls under the M&Q ACOP correct? Statutory LAW unlike the normal BS7671 electrical regulations.

 

[Jon T]

Isolation training will deem them competent to lock equipment off.

It will not deem them competent to be reconnecting motors.

Yes it's not difficult to physically disconnect a motor and reconnect a new one.

You aren't going to find a short course to cover what it sounds like you want.

Thanks Rob, this was kind of my initial guess to be honest, as I suspected it wouldn't be that straightforward.

I think it will pay to get them on this safe isolation course anyway, then perhaps we'll go from there. We do have a good spark that subs to us so no issue using him until the fog clears.

Thanks for everyone's input, much appreciated.

 

[Bobster]

Isolation training would still certainly be useful.

 

[David Prosser]

Just noticed your East Midlands. You can get them trained in safe isolation and re-connection and testing at the E-ON college in the power station Ratcliffe on Soar. Not sure if they will cover the mines and quarries side of it.

 

[Bobster]

They can get the m&Q ACOP from the HSE for free. Or certainly used to be able to when I worked in them. This was 5 - 6 years ago now mind.

An they had gotten a lot more lax than they used to be.

 

[Jon T]

Just noticed your East Midlands. You can get them trained in safe isolation and re-connection and testing at the E-ON college in the power station Ratcliffe on Soar. Not sure if they will cover the mines and quarries side of it.

Thanks David, should have thought of that actually, as we have had lads that crossed over from the power stations and I have seen Ratcliffe mentioned on a few certs previously. I will look into that, thank you.