Domestic Installer Training

[Enduro73]

To be fair I've not asked. I would imagine the sparky wont be happy as he's losing money and having to go elsewhere to make up for it.

 

[Midwest]

Midwest, when you say problems do you mean issues that you couldn't resolve due to limited training?

Cheeky Sod.

No I mean I had extra work to do, to correct the balls up done by the 'others' previously mentioned. Which was why sometimes I did kitchen refurbs on day rate; sometimes it was only after the old units were removed, to reveal what had to be done/corrected.

If some of your reasoning, is because trades are falling over themselves, then you are not planning things properly. I was given dates, as to when I would have the venue to myself, to do my work. Same as the other trades.

 

[Zerax]

Cheeky Sod.

No I mean I had extra work to do, to correct the balls up done by the 'others' previously mentioned. Which was why sometimes I did kitchen refurbs on day rate; sometimes it was only after the old units were removed, to reveal what had to be done/corrected.

If some of your reasoning, is because trades are falling over themselves, then you are not planning things properly. I was given dates, as to when I would have the venue to myself, to do my work. Same as the other trades.

I hate working on site with other trades... I'd much rather have the place to myself !

 

[Enduro73]

Lol sorry
I always need to be onsite when he's working to make sure it's right. It doesn't pay for me to have a day just so he can fo his bit.
Perhaps I'm just getting grumpy in my old age, definitely less tolerant. Working in peace by myself seems so appealing now.

 

[Enduro73]

Flipping text.
Meant that it doesn't pay for me to take a day just so he has a clear run.
Although I did last week and had to chop the cooker hood supply over the freshly plastered wall by 50mm. My black marker must be invisible.

 

[Midwest]

Flipping text.
Meant that it doesn't pay for me to take a day just so he has a clear run.
Although I did last week and had to chop the cooker hood supply over the freshly plastered wall by 50mm. My black marker must be invisible.

I don't understand your working procedures. Each part of the first & second fix needs to follow a procedure. Pointless having the painter in before the plasterer.

 

[Andy78]

I'm surprised you haven't just come to an arrangement with a local electrician whereby you chase in the cables and he comes along later to connect it up, test and sign off. That sort of thing is undoubtedly frowned upon by many but in the real world it happens a lot and is a reasonable compromise for all involved

I encountered a kitchen fitter lately that took that approach with his sparky. He had no idea about cable calcs and derating factors but was being left to design and first fix before his sparky tested and signed off.
He was actually quite shocked his sparky mate had not told him any of this and was worried when I told him what a concern all those cables he had been stuffing in insulated walls could be.

 

[Enduro73]

Midwest, I have procedures not sure why you think otherwise.
I simply work with the electrician, he's doing his bit whilst I'm doing mine.
I'm simply saying I don't leave site just so the sparky has a clear room. This would make the installation longer for no good reason.

 

[Midwest]

Not how I worked.

Basic model, came in on the day when old units etc being ripped out, safely disconnecting old stuff as required.

Did my first fix, plasterer followed me, often then by painter (for mist coat), then flooring guy if that was being fitted. I’d then come back do most of my 2nd fix, painter might follow to finish.

Only then would the kitchen installers come along to install the kitchen. They would of been busy elsewhere. There were occasions when I 2nd fixed when the kitchen was being installed, very rare, and mostly to install fixed appliances.

Everyone trying to work in one place at the same time, is just poor practice.

 

[Enduro73]

So the only difference is the 2nd fix. Sparky likes to 2nd fix and connect appliances all in one, not 2nd fix then coming back again to connect appliances, which I'm happy with. Doesn't make sense for him to keep coming back.
Sometimes sockets go in cabinets, that'll be hard with no units fitted. Not unless you fit above counter fuse spurs for every appliance which looks awful with switches everywhere.