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If you are that worried get an EICR done by someone other than the bloke you got originally, along with a quote for the new circuit, I'm a bit out of date with prices, but £200 / £300 should cover the EICR, someone with more up to date knowledge will confirm the right price range for your area I'm sure, don't go ahead with the C/U change until you have had the EICR done, could save yourself some heartache and money, that would be my advice, and if you see the Electrician who told you you needed a replacement CU kick his backside for me.
Increase his income maybe?
We haven't even seen the whole CU, so it's quite hard to say what is or is not required or what any one of use would do. For all we know there could be a whacking great hole in the top of the existing CU.
We don't know what this person has or has not done, you have just made the assumption that he has only looked at the CU and not done anything more.
In my experience a fair few of their RCDs are more like smoke grenades
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Thank you for the welcome and speedy reply - I need a new oven and hob fitting - I was advised by a local electrician that it needed updating ... I not have a EICR. Thank you for any advice its really appreciated...
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Its a Proteus, what other excuse would you need
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Are they installing a new circuit/s.
Its a Proteus, what other excuse would you need
Sorry for my ignorance - I am unsure at this stage but it was for safety reasons.. I suppose I need to find out more - I am awaiting a quote.. it was originally to fit new oven and hob... I can forward image of how it is wired up at the moment - but it may not help...
I am really grateful for your time and advice Thank you
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Yes admittedly Proteus would not be the best option, sounds to me as though the Electrician is blagging a C/U change out of the request for a new circuit. Den there appears to be a space for an extra circuit in your C/U, it has RCD protection and is not up to the new standard of what is called an Amendment 3 type unit, that in itself doesn't mean it requires replacement.
If you are that worried get an EICR done by someone other than the bloke you got originally, along with a quote for the new circuit, I'm a bit out of date with prices, but £200 / £300 should cover the EICR, someone with more up to date knowledge will confirm the right price range for your area I'm sure, don't go ahead with the C/U change until you have had the EICR done, could save yourself some heartache and money, that would be my advice, and if you see the Electrician who told you you needed a replacement CU kick his backside for me.
LOL... - Thank you so much - that's good advice - I will take it on board ...
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He may have legitimate reasons for suggesting a replacement.
THANK you all for the advice - I will certainly be back on here if I need any more Help
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The main issue with your current fuseboard is the up front RCD, so when it trips you lose all your circuits.
It's worth planning as replacement, but not essential as you seem to have a spare way in the current unit.
You may also need your earthing and bonding upgraded.
Hope this helps
It's worth planning as replacement, but not essential as you seem to have a spare way in the current unit.
You may also need your earthing and bonding upgraded.
Hope this helps
Thank you for the advice - I really appreciate it
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He may indeed, but imo it's doubtful, no testing a quick look and oh yes madam you need a new fuse box that'll be£--- put your own figure on that Westy, you're a good bloke, but in this case far to trusting.
Thank you - I will ask for a breakdown of what exactly needs doing in advance
Thank you - I will ask for a breakdown of what exactly needs doing in advance
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^^ and why
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Must be mellowing Pete, as Hemingway said to see if someone is trustworthy, trust them
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Increase his income maybe?
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It looks like a 100ma RCD though. And yeh...proteus.
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He may indeed, but imo it's doubtful, no testing a quick look and oh yes madam you need a new fuse box that'll be£--- put your own figure on that Westy, you're a good bloke, but in this case far to trusting.
Yeah but easily rectified to a 30ma?
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Yep quite often I have advised no does not need new CU, or rewire etc. meets regs then someone more rapacious comes along and gives them the blarney runs me down they get new CU, and think I gave them bad advice!
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Never spotted that, probably the reason then.
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Probably right Westy, but any self respecting Sparky would recommend an RCD change, wouldn't they???
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I still reckon Mr you need a CU change is after relieving Den of a few hundred quid, well that's my opinion anyway, but then again I'm retired so my opinion don't count according to some. Before anyone asks why I keep harping on about being retired, just let me say that the person who first aired the issue of my retirement really ticked me off, cheeky git.
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I personally wouldn't go down that route and whilst you shouldn't base this on brand it would sway me. But as you say replacing the main rcd switch is of course possible.
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It would still only have one rcd for all circuits
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What would you do then Westy? change the CU without regards to any testing or inspection, cus all this Muppet has done is look at the CU and thought "hang on some easy money to be made here.
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How have you come to that conclusion. I can't find any post by the OP that suggests that?
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We don't know what the electrician has done.
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Why is that Steve? May be I'm a pessimist never trust anybody unless you know them and then think twice
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From the image the unit looks a little aged, with all the testing we can do with a MFT on the circuits, we still can't test the existing mcb's.
Even if the RCD is replaced the CU would still have only one rcd for all circuits.
As already said, a decision shouldn't be made on the make, albeit my first comment was meant to be a comical one, the price I'm getting on my CEF web account is £52.52 for a replacement 80 Amp 30mA RCD.
To be fair, we've had no technical info or prices given, if the electrician can do a good deal it maybe wouldn't be such a bad call to consider an up-to-date twin RCD or RCBO CU.
Even if the RCD is replaced the CU would still have only one rcd for all circuits.
As already said, a decision shouldn't be made on the make, albeit my first comment was meant to be a comical one, the price I'm getting on my CEF web account is £52.52 for a replacement 80 Amp 30mA RCD.
To be fair, we've had no technical info or prices given, if the electrician can do a good deal it maybe wouldn't be such a bad call to consider an up-to-date twin RCD or RCBO CU.
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If i was doing this job then i would give the customer 2 options.The first would be to change the rcd to 30ma and add the cooker circuit in the spare way.I would explain to the customer that this would cover the regulations but is not good practice due to an inconvenience if the rcd tripped.The second option would be a consumer unit change to a dual metal clad board but only if the customer wants it.I would charge approx £350 to do the second option.It really is down to the customer as to what they decide.The cheaper route but inconvenient or the dearer route which is safer,more convenient and would conform to all current regs(assuming the bonding,insulation resistance etc etc is correct)
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Looks like we have a differing of opinions on this post, but I have said my bit.
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We ultimately need to know the electricians reason for replacement hopefully in due course.
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I wonder if the OP has any paperwork/certification for the existing installation?
If not, a new CU would also solve that problem (if done properly) for any future sale of the property.
Also, as far as I can see, and additional circuit wouldn't be required as there is already a cooker circuit on the existing board - unless I have missed something.
If not, a new CU would also solve that problem (if done properly) for any future sale of the property.
Also, as far as I can see, and additional circuit wouldn't be required as there is already a cooker circuit on the existing board - unless I have missed something.
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In my opinion the main issue is not an upfront RCD. They main issue is that there is no 30mA RCD protection, only 100mA time-delayed.
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The electrician needs to adhere to the current regulations so it maybe that in the light of no 30mA rcd additional protection for cables that he maybe installing buried in the walls , that changing the cu gives the installer this option and in my opinion improves the current state of the electrical installation as a whole in terms of safety and current compliance with the regulations.
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That isn't time delayed, the T would be a D if it were, I think
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We haven't even seen the whole CU, so it's quite hard to say what is or is not required or what any one of use would do. For all we know there could be a whacking great hole in the top of the existing CU.
We don't know what this person has or has not done, you have just made the assumption that he has only looked at the CU and not done anything more.
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No the part number on the front would end in a "D". Don't think you would get a Proteus 63A time delayed rcd, not that I dabble with such a brand of course.
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Aren't all proteus breakers time delayed?
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Aren't all proteus breakers time delayed?
In my experience a fair few of their RCDs are more like smoke grenades
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