Gluing alarm cables to UPVC Window frames & Door architraves

[Squid]

I'd just sell the house and move to a better area where an alarm isn't required, tsk peasants.........

 

[chris murphy]

I'd just sell the house and move to a better area where an alarm isn't required, tsk peasants.........

SWD - I know that You are replying with these ridiculous messages just to irritate me and you have succeeded.

If You really think that people who live in `Better areas` don`t get Burgled you need lessons in realities of life.

There are NO areas of London where `an Alarm is not required`.

Your comments regarding that show that you are very naive about Burglary / Crime - especially as you claim to know various areas of London.

However a person would not have to `know London` to realise that an Alarm system is a good addition to ANY Home`s Security they would just need to have some `common sense`.

People who live in the `Best areas` of London / the UK where Houses cost Millions of pounds usually have much better `Security` than the average Home.

Often stronger external Doors and the best quality locks - perhaps Security grilles on Basement and Ground floor windows - maybe even `Security Glass` in those Windows and Doors - a really good Alarm system and CCTV.

Sometimes even Security Guards regularly patrolling the exterior of the Homes or even `living in`- which I know happens in some parts of Belgravia, Kensington, Knightsbridge etc.

That would be why people who own `the Best Homes` / live in `the Best areas` don`t get Burgled as often as Homes with lesser Security - not because of the area that they live in.

Adding insults to your replies shows immaturity.

Chris

 

[EalingBadger]

Have you solved your problem yet?

If not then take a look at my link in message #100.

It really is surprisingly informative if you dig around a little.

 

[Squid]

SWD - I know that You are replying with these ridiculous messages just to irritate me and you have succeeded.

If You really think that people who live in `Better areas` don`t get Burgled you need lessons in realities of life.

There are NO areas of London where `an Alarm is not required`.

Your comments regarding that show that you are very naive about Burglary / Crime - especially as you claim to know various areas of London.

However a person would not have to `know London` to realise that an Alarm system is a good addition to ANY Home`s Security they would just need to have some `common sense`.

People who live in the `Best areas` of London / the UK where Houses cost Millions of pounds usually have much better `Security` than the average Home.

Often stronger external Doors and the best quality locks - perhaps Security grilles on Basement and Ground floor windows - maybe even `Security Glass` in those Windows and Doors - a really good Alarm system and CCTV.

Sometimes even Security Guards regularly patrolling the exterior of the Homes or even `living in`- which I know happens in some parts of Belgravia, Kensington, Knightsbridge etc.

That would be why people who own `the Best Homes` / live in `the Best areas` don`t get Burgled as often as Homes with lesser Security - not because of the area that they live in.

Adding insults to your replies shows immaturity.

Chris

I earn my money as a burglar, better money then being an Eleectrikery Wizard..........

 

[chris murphy]

A surprisingly informative link:

adhesive for pvc - Google Search - https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&channel=trow&q=adhesive+for+pvc

(Better late than never...)

Hello EalingBadger,

Thank You for your reply and for the link.

Sorry that my reply to your message was slightly delayed after responding to Member SWD - I had to take what turned out to be a very long telephone call.

I was not intending to ignore your message and I had already used the link and found the 3M `Bonding & Assembly` Information webpage where I have submitted my question.

Because I am busy with `Admin` today I submitted the question to 3M `the Adhesive Experts` - but I will look further using the link that you posted.

I had done some research online before posting this thread and obviously found that there are hundreds of different Adhesives to read about.

The result of my `Superglue Test` was that it did not melt the PVC Alarm cable insulation and it did stick the cable to an offcut of UPVC - albeit just a flat piece which was laying flat.

If I don`t get a recommendation from 3M Adhesives for a glue that would possibly be easier to use without any possibility of accidental damage / marking of the UPVC frames I will be using the Superglue although holding the cables in place while they adhere might not be easy.

Thanks again for your interest and message.

Chris

 

[Squid]

I can see the Newspaper headlines in the South London Gazette - "Man found superglued to window whilst burgling £1M property" ;o))

 

[Resu]

I will be using the Superglue although holding the cables in place while they adhere might not be easy.

Mitre fast would be ideal in this situation. Comes as a 2 part kit, 1 bottle of superglue and one can of aerosol activator which makes the glue go off within a couple of seconds.

 

[Squid]

8 pages on how to glue a cable.......... sheeeeeesh ;o)))))))

 

[chris murphy]

Mitre fast would be ideal in this situation. Comes as a 2 part kit, 1 bottle of superglue and one can of aerosol activator which makes the glue go off within a couple of seconds.

Hello again Resu,

Thanks for the recommendation / information.

I really appreciate your thoughts on this and I am not trying to contradict you or be awkward but what do you think about this:

I would be concerned that trying to apply a line of Superglue down the cable route [on the UPVC moulding / trim] and then spray it with activator could cause a very messy / undesirable situation before I even got a chance to try sticking the Alarm cable to the activated Superglue ?

Also - would you guess that the overspray from the activator spray would just wipe off the brilliant white UPVC without discolouring it ?

When I attempt gluing the cables onto the UPVC frames / architraves I will have fixed the Magnetic contacts to the bottom of the `mouldings` and the cables will be routed up through the ceilings [following an exactly vertical line] with enough slack to push them onto the adhesive.

After they have adhered to the shape of the frames / architraves I will pull the slack up from above.

I have described that because I would not really be able to apply the Superglue and activator to the Alarm cable and then stick them onto the UPVC frames / architraves as the cables need to be connected first to the Magnetic contacts.

Thanks again - I would be grateful for your thoughts on my questions please.

Chris

 

[chris murphy]

8 pages on how to glue a cable.......... sheeeeeesh ;o)))))))

I hope that You are not getting irritated SWD ?

Chris

 

[mattg4321]

Haven't you done this yet?!

 

[EalingBadger]

One word - "Frogtape":

FrogTape® Painters Masking Tape,Treated with Paint Block Technology ® - https://www.frogtape.co.uk/

 

[Squid]

I hope that You are not getting irritated SWD ?

Chris

Me? I never get irritated as I am the most chilled out person who doesn't really give a ---- about most things ;o))))

 

[telectrix]

back on track, i'd just use a bit of the 12mm x 5mm sticky back mini. trunking. non permanent so can be removed if desired with no melting of the pvc frame which could invalidate any warranty.

 

[Resu]

Hello again Resu,

Thanks for the recommendation / information.

I really appreciate your thoughts on this and I am not trying to contradict you or be awkward but what do you think about this:

I would be concerned that trying to apply a line of Superglue down the cable route [on the UPVC moulding / trim] and then spray it with activator could cause a very messy / undesirable situation before I even got a chance to try sticking the Alarm cable to the activated Superglue ?

Also - would you guess that the overspray from the activator spray would just wipe off the brilliant white UPVC without discolouring it ?

When I attempt gluing the cables onto the UPVC frames / architraves I will have fixed the Magnetic contacts to the bottom of the `mouldings` and the cables will be routed up through the ceilings [following an exactly vertical line] with enough slack to push them onto the adhesive.

After they have adhered to the shape of the frames / architraves I will pull the slack up from above.

I have described that because I would not really be able to apply the Superglue and activator to the Alarm cable and then stick them onto the UPVC frames / architraves as the cables need to be connected first to the Magnetic contacts.

Thanks again - I would be grateful for your thoughts on my questions please.

Chris

I'd go for: line of glue on frame, place cable on top, quick spray with activator. Activator should effectively evaporate but should wipe off no problem if not.

Would be worth a test in a discrete corner if you're worried.

 

[chris murphy]

back on track, i'd just use a bit of the 12mm x 5mm sticky back mini. trunking. non permanent so can be removed if desired with no melting of the pvc frame which could invalidate any warranty.

Hello telectrix,

Thanks for your message.

The Window frames and Door architraves are made from pieces of moulded UPVC `trim` which are fitted around the windows and doors - apart from a section closest to the window and door which measures 35mm x 5mm there are no flat surfaces to use any size of mini trunking.

Chris

 

[chris murphy]

I'd go for: line of glue on frame, place cable on top, quick spray with activator. Activator should effectively evaporate but should wipe off no problem if not.

Would be worth a test in a discrete corner if you're worried.

Hello again Resu,

Thanks very much for replying to my question about using your recommendation `Mitre Fast` regarding the use of the `Activator` spray.

I have the Alarm Magnetic contacts wired up [cables clipped to joists in floor voids above] and hanging down from ceiling to Magnetic contacts with enough slack to be able to glue them to the UPVC frames and architraves so now that I know what adhesive to use I can glue the cables whenever I get the Mitre Fast adhesive.

I know that You recommended this product much earlier in the duration of this thread but as it was a Superglue type adhesive I wanted to carry out my `Test` to ensure that type of glue did not damage / melt the pvc insulation of the Alarm cable or damage the UPVC.

Thank You very much for persevering with your recommendation and for helping me with the answer about the `Activator spray` - I have an offcut of UPVC so I can try the spray on that to ensure that it either evaporates or can be wiped off without staining.

Chris

 

[telectrix]

in this situation i would have installed a wireless alarm system, such as the Risco Lightsys (hybrid) or Agility (totally wireless). problem would never arise then.

 

[chris murphy]

in this situation i would have installed a wireless alarm system, such as the Risco Lightsys (hybrid) or Agility (totally wireless). problem would never arise then.

Hello again telectrix.

In my original message that began this thread I explained that I was having to fit Alarm Magnetic contacts to some of my Home`s windows and doors because the wireless Alarm`s RF receiver had failed - it was no longer receiving the transmissions from the few wireless detectors that I had left on the system.

Either in that first message or in a subsequent one I described how over the last 20 years various wireless detectors had malfunctioned and that because replacements were no longer available from the Manufacturer I had to `hard wire` either new PIR Detectors [Honeywell] or Magnetic contacts to the Alarm Control Box.

My Alarm system was purchased as a `Wireless Burglar Alarm system` but luckily for me it also had the facility to add wired detectors or it would have become useless many years ago.

Because of my experiences with a `Wireless Burglar Alarm system I would never have one again.

I realise that there will have been a lot of improvements in wireless Alarm systems / wireless detectors and I know from your and other Members comments that the systems that are now available would be much less susceptible to external RF interference than my previous wireless detectors and probably more reliable regarding `malfunctions` - although some of my wireless detectors did last for 20 years until the Control Box stopped receiving their transmissions - which I view as almost `miraculous` regarding my previous expectations of `Electronic products`.

Chris

 

[telectrix]

just out of interest, what make is the defective alarm system?

 

[ipf]

just out of interest, what make is the defective alarm system?

….British Leyland?

 

[Squid]

just out of interest, what make is the defective alarm system?

Do you the OP to bag up the nice stuff and leave in the hall way for you as well?

 

[telectrix]

bloody racist. .

 

[Tuxornot]

I know this threads is old but I am going to resurrect it in the hope it may help someone who can afford a tube of glue. I have sensors fitted to my upvc frames, had a bit of problem running the cable to the desired spot, superglue isnt an option because on some upvc it will damage the frame and / or the cable, screws, nails ect cant be used either.

Just by chance I had a few spodges of saudal sticks all clear left over from another job so tried that, put a thin line of it along the cable run and push the cable into the line of sticks all, hold with tape if necessary until cables stuck , job done.

To remove, simply pull off the cable and clean any residue up using a plastic scraper or old credit card as that method wont mark the upvc unlike a metal blade.

Also used this to secure those cable covers sky and virgin often leave off, good stuff.

Of course his wont solve the problem of who is going to buy it for the OP !

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[chris murphy]

I know this threads is old but I am going to resurrect it in the hope it may help someone who can afford a tube of glue. I have sensors fitted to my upvc frames, had a bit of problem running the cable to the desired spot, superglue isnt an option because on some upvc it will damage the frame and / or the cable, screws, nails ect cant be used either.

Just by chance I had a few spodges of saudal sticks all clear left over from another job so tried that, put a thin line of it along the cable run and push the cable into the line of sticks all, hold with tape if necessary until cables stuck , job done.

To remove, simply pull off the cable and clean any residue up using a plastic scraper or old credit card as that method wont mark the upvc unlike a metal blade.

Also used this to secure those cable covers sky and virgin often leave off, good stuff.

Of course his wont solve the problem of who is going to buy it for the OP !

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Hello Tuxornot,

Thank You for posting your recommendation of Soudal High Tack Adhesive & Sealant and a description of how to use it to glue cables ans sensors etc. to UPVC frames.

I am sure that it would be very helpful to any future readers of this thread if they persevere enough to get to your post after reading through all of the previous replies to me ?

However I have to ask what You meant by this comment:

Of course his wont solve the problem of who is going to buy it for the OP !

Chris

 

[DPG]

Chris, I think he's referring to your previous reluctance to spend money

 

[Tuxornot]

Chris, I think he's referring to your previous reluctance to spend money

Spot on, thats what I was referring to
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Hello Tuxornot,

Thank You for posting your recommendation of Soudal High Tack Adhesive & Sealant and a description of how to use it to glue cables ans sensors etc. to UPVC frames.

I am sure that it would be very helpful to any future readers of this thread if they persevere enough to get to your post after reading through all of the previous replies to me ?

However I have to ask what You meant by this comment:

Of course his wont solve the problem of who is going to buy it for the OP !

Chris

Maybe there should be a handy tips section that things like this could be listed in, would make it easier to find.

The final comment was made in jest, given you probably found a solution already and only needed a small amount. I don't know the exact life of an open 300ml tube of sticks all, I had a half used tube that way laying about for a few months, its supplied with a replaceable cap to prevent it going off. I used it instead of silicone as clear silicone doesn't stick pvc that good and even then it leaches the plasticiser and turns milky.

I've used it for a load of gluing jobs and as a replacement for silicone sealer, defo worth keeping a tube handy.

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[chris murphy]

Chris, I think he's referring to your previous reluctance to spend money

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Spot on, thats what I was referring to
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Maybe there should be a handy tips section that things like this could be listed in, would make it easier to find.

The final comment was made in jest, given you probably found a solution already and only needed a small amount. I don't know the exact life of an open 300ml tube of sticks all, I had a half used tube that way laying about for a few months, its supplied with a replaceable cap to prevent it going off. I used it instead of silicone as clear silicone doesn't stick pvc that good and even then it leaches the plasticiser and turns milky.

I've used it for a load of gluing jobs and as a replacement for silicone sealer, defo worth keeping a tube handy.

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Hello again Tuxornot and DPG,

To update this and perhaps also help future readers:

I used this Superglue to attach the Alarm cables to the UPVC Window and Door architrave:

Toolstation Industrial Superglue High Viscosity / Thick - 50G bottle - £2.65

HV Super Glue

This industrial grade high viscosity super glue is just what you need for all those odd jobs. It can be used to adhere both porous and non-porous surfaces and has a slightly delayed set that allows you time to perfect your positioning. This reliable super glue is suitable for use on a wide range...

www.toolstation.com

The cost of the adhesive was never an issue - I just wanted to try and get something that was not the size of a Mastic tube when I needed a very small amount - nor did I want to buy a Hot Glue Gun and Glue sticks for such a small amount of Gluing.

Because it would have been awkward and perhaps caused difficulty in aligning the cables correctly if I had tried to use a full line of superglue onto either the UPVC or the cables I just put dots of the glue onto the cables about 25mm apart.

Starting with dots of glue near the magnetic contacts and holding each section of cable onto the Window / Door architrave for a few seconds until I could release the cable - moving onto the next dot and doing the same across the shape of the architrave.

I then used some 25mm wide electrical insulation tape along the cable which I took off after a few hours.

I used a Prit Stick adhesive to glue the sections of cable that go up to to / through the ceiling onto the wallpaper above the Windows and Door - just putting the adhesive onto the cable in small sections of about 30mm long - I then pushed the small amount of slack that I had left back into the ceiling void.

When I posted this thread I was expecting to get perhaps 2 or 3 recommendations for suitable adhesives within about 6 or 8 replies.

I would never have expected anything like 120 replies although quite a lot of which were either winding me up or from Members engaging in banter with each other or commenting about me.

Thanks again for your messages.

Chris

 

[Tuxornot]

Hi Chris,

You have a point, I think some of these 300ml cartridge adhesives should be available in smaller tubes but I suppose its down to production costs at the end of the day.

As for winding you up or commenting, that's the nature of forums I'm afraid, probably more so this one, the reason is that a sparkies life is not an easy one, I should know, I was one, retired now but I know that of all the trades this one is possibly the hardest, rules, long days, dealing with other people, being responsible and paperwork and every thing else can take its toll so when the chance for a little light relief comes along....... well, so long as it doesn't distract from the professionalism of the trade.

You see back in my day we never had the internet or even mobile phones, the only light relief from a long day was either a good tv show or being able to stamp on an apprentice, well tv today isn't the same and you cant stamp on apprentices any-more, only thing that's left is a bit of light heartened banter on forums like these, you have to develop a sense of humour of some sort otherwise you go la la loopy

 

[chris murphy]

Hi Chris,

You have a point, I think some of these 300ml cartridge adhesives should be available in smaller tubes but I suppose its down to production costs at the end of the day.

As for winding you up or commenting, that's the nature of forums I'm afraid, probably more so this one, the reason is that a sparkies life is not an easy one, I should know, I was one, retired now but I know that of all the trades this one is possibly the hardest, rules, long days, dealing with other people, being responsible and paperwork and every thing else can take its toll so when the chance for a little light relief comes along....... well, so long as it doesn't distract from the professionalism of the trade.

You see back in my day we never had the internet or even mobile phones, the only light relief from a long day was either a good tv show or being able to stamp on an apprentice, well tv today isn't the same and you cant stamp on apprentices any-more, only thing that's left is a bit of light heartened banter on forums like these, you have to develop a sense of humour of some sort otherwise you go la la loopy

Hello again Tuxornot,

Thanks for your message.

I know exactly what You mean when you describe an Electricians Trade as not being easy - dealing with Regulations, Customers, other Trades, Admin, Competent Persons Schemes, LABC etc.

I have been a Plumber, Heating Engineer & Gas Engineer for over 53 Years and have had to deal with all of the above including Gas Safe Mandatory Registration, Gas Safety Regulations, Water Supply Regulations / Bylaws, Building Regulations etc.

Without wanting to contradict your assessment that of all Trades the Electrical Trade is the hardest:

I would guess that the Heating Engineer / Gas Engineer / Plumber`s required knowledge and adherence to - Gas Safety, Plumbing / Water & Building Regulations - Gas Safe Mandatory Registration - the mandatory registering of installed Gas Appliances / Heat producing fixtures [e.g. Unvented Hot Water Cylinders etc.] would be more than comparable with similar in the Electrical Trade.

That is taking into consideration what I am guessing is required to be an Electrician working in both the Commercial / Industrial & Domestic areas of the Industry - as the Heating Engineer, Gas Engineer & Plumber has to be fully conversant with the knowledge, regulations, registrations and admin for what is really 3 Trades.

I do have what I and others would consider to be a good sense of humour and I like to engage in Banter at almost every opportunity when in light hearted conversation.

I am definitely not adverse to it on this Forum if I can recognise it - but perhaps because I write very long explanations about what I am asking when I then receive replies which are worded as if the respondent has not read anything that I previously described I wonder whether they are on a wind up / deliberately trying to cause me to write a response reiterating everything that I previously wrote ?

Chris

 

[Tuxornot]

Hello again Tuxornot,

Thanks for your message.

I know exactly what You mean when you describe an Electricians Trade as not being easy - dealing with Regulations, Customers, other Trades, Admin, Competent Persons Schemes, LABC etc.

I have been a Plumber, Heating Engineer & Gas Engineer for over 53 Years and have had to deal with all of the above including Gas Safe Mandatory Registration, Gas Safety Regulations, Water Supply Regulations / Bylaws, Building Regulations etc.

Without wanting to contradict your assessment that of all Trades the Electrical Trade is the hardest:

I would guess that the Heating Engineer / Gas Engineer / Plumber`s required knowledge and adherence to - Gas Safety, Plumbing / Water & Building Regulations - Gas Safe Mandatory Registration - the mandatory registering of installed Gas Appliances / Heat producing fixtures [e.g. Unvented Hot Water Cylinders etc.] would be more than comparable with similar in the Electrical Trade.

That is taking into consideration what I am guessing is required to be an Electrician working in both the Commercial / Industrial & Domestic areas of the Industry - as the Heating Engineer, Gas Engineer & Plumber has to be fully conversant with the knowledge, regulations, registrations and admin for what is really 3 Trades.

I do have what I and others would consider to be a good sense of humour and I like to engage in Banter at almost every opportunity when in light hearted conversation.

I am definitely not adverse to it on this Forum if I can recognise it - but perhaps because I write very long explanations about what I am asking when I then receive replies which are worded as if the respondent has not read anything that I previously described I wonder whether they are on a wind up / deliberately trying to cause me to write a response reiterating everything that I previously wrote ?

Chris

Well thank you for a very interesting post, wasn't too long and got your own view over clearly. My views on electricians as a trade being a tough one is based on my own experience but we all have our own personal view, at the end of the day what ever we do / did do as a job, its to make a living.

As they say no one knows until you walk in their shoes or something like that. ( Thats not a surrender, its an olive branch, puns intended )

I do have some understanding of what you plumbing / gas fitter lads have to deal with, one of my friends is a gas fitter and on the day he was moving my gas pipe his scam pulled him in, spot check I think, out of the blue, no reason, maybe some one was bored in the office day, who knows but it caused endless worry. Now he had to make a few calls so took his eyes off his trainee who was routing the pipe and fixing clips, only took his eye off him for a few minutes but in that time his trainee managed to drill into a marked safe zone and clipped a cable, not a problem because I just replaced that leg of the ring and re tested it then made good.

These things happen its life end off, but it reinforces my desire to petition government to make it legal to stamp on an apprentice from time to time, just for fun, because we can and should

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