Good Old Delroy, he gets all the best Jobs :)

[littlespark]

Say what you see…..
And a few more words

 

[loz2754]

I wish there was a facepalm emoji

I know, right?

 

[Mike Johnson]

How to fit a light bulb and the different type of fittings next, Oh hang on that could be useful.

 

[rewireIT]

I know, right?

Can't see them in my end, they're all blank. Like dels mind

 

[rewireIT]

Del just removing the main earth from a live TP board.

 

[goasis]

Del just removing the main earth from a live TP board.

Poor isn't it... Notice his lack of replies to the comments pointing it out.
The thing is, we all probably make occasional mistakes at work, and realise. He's filmed it, edited and uploaded to YouTube and not realised.

 

[rewireIT]

Poor isn't it...

Dangerous would be the word i'd use!

The thing is, we all probably make occasional mistakes at work, and realise. He's filmed it, edited and uploaded to YouTube and not realised.

That's because he's incompetent. It's embarrassing for NIC that he's an approved contractor.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Dangerous would be the word i'd use!

That's because he's incompetent. It's embarrassing for NIC that he's an approved contractor.

I have worked with Approved contractors Way Way worse than Del , in fact they make Del look like a Pro

 

[Mike Johnson]

Why would you remove the Earth when testing a TP board?

 

[mainline]

Why would you remove the Earth when testing a TP board?

Ze comes to mind.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Then immediately re-connect?

 

[oscar21]

I don't get it, if you disconnect the earth to get a true Ze the you test on the incoming earth cable, not the dis board where he clipped his crock clip.

also do those newer meggers do P-P IPF nowadays, I was waiting for the bang. Day one of the 2391 course and our tutor said never ever test phase to phase whilst doing IPF with a single phase tester if you still want eyebrows. I've always doubled the highest single phase reading.

 

[mainline]

I don't get it, if you disconnect the earth to get a true Ze the you test on the incoming earth cable, not the dis board where he clipped his crock clip.

also do those newer meggers do P-P IPF nowadays, I was waiting for the bang. Day one of the 2391 course and our tutor said never ever test phase to phase whilst doing IPF with a single phase tester if you still want eyebrows. I've always doubled the highest single phase reading.

I didn't look at the video, i just replied to the “why would anyone disconnect the main earth”.

Its Dels attempt to do PSCC.
He's not interested in PEFC.

 

[7029 dave]

I don't get it, if you disconnect the earth to get a true Ze the you test on the incoming earth cable, not the dis board where he clipped his crock clip.

also do those newer meggers do P-P IPF nowadays, I was waiting for the bang. Day one of the 2391 course and our tutor said never ever test phase to phase whilst doing IPF with a single phase tester if you still want eyebrows. I've always doubled the highest single phase reading.

I looked at the vid a few times, the main TP switch was in off position thats good should of locked it off, now this is the confusing bit Del disconnected the main earth (to the DB) lead away from the MET block because multiple bonds on the block, but still had his clips on it in the DB with all earths still connected picking up other paths. IMO this was not a true Ze. He should of taken the main earth lead out of the MET block coming from the cutout and put his clip on that.

 

[davesparks]

also do those newer meggers do P-P IPF nowadays, I was waiting for the bang. Day one of the 2391 course and our tutor said never ever test phase to phase whilst doing IPF with a single phase tester if you still want eyebrows. I've always doubled the highest single phase reading.

As far as I know all of the megger, and most other name brand, testers have done loop tests at 415V for a long time.

I've certainly always tested phase to phase with both my megger MFT and megger high resolution loop tester.

If anyone is manufacturing a tester which would fail catastrophically if connected phase to phase then it is not fit to be on the market. Even if it can't test at that voltage it should be able to handle being connected to it and at worst be able to safely contain any failure which occurs due to it.

 

[timhoward]

also do those newer meggers do P-P IPF nowadays, I was waiting for the bang. Day one of the 2391 course and our tutor said never ever test phase to phase whilst doing IPF with a single phase tester if you still want eyebrows

Meggers from 15xx onwards will in all cases handle phase to phase on high-current. The 15xx gets very upset if you accidentally select no-trip and connect phase to phase. The manual says it isn't 'supported' but doesn't talk about the undocumented internal fuse! The 17xx onwards just beeps.

It can be the case (not wishing to cast general aspersions) that college tutors have been out of the day-to-day game for a while and not been exposed to more recent equipment. He is right that you could once easily break a tester doing this:

By the time Robin became Kewtech (in simple terms), the KT63 doesn't blow up but also doesn't handle phase to phase.

So in general, if you have a Megger, crack on!

 

[Dustydazzler]

 

[oscar21]

Meggers from 15xx onwards will in all cases handle phase to phase on high-current. The 15xx gets very upset if you accidentally select no-trip and connect phase to phase. The manual says it isn't 'supported' but doesn't talk about the undocumented internal fuse! The 17xx onwards just beeps.

It can be the case (not wishing to cast general aspersions) that college tutors have been out of the day-to-day game for a while and not been exposed to more recent equipment. He is right that you could once easily break a tester doing this:
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By the time Robin became Kewtech (in simple terms), the KT63 doesn't blow up but also doesn't handle phase to phase.

So in general, if you have a Megger, crack on!

It was in 1999 I did my 2391 so he was probably correct at the time. I've never had one of the more posey meters (fluke/megger etc) and just had something cheap and functional, I currently have a KT63 and before that I had a Unitest one which I've still got in the van as a backup, 20 years old and still works perfect.

 

[goasis]

Unless there was a bit of editing in the video he seemed to be testing the socket under the sink with no fuse in the spur... in fact the client actually says at the start.. "I took out the fuse"!!

 

[DPG]

Unless there was a bit of editing in the video he seemed to be testing the socket under the sink with no fuse in the spur... in fact the client actually says at the start.. "I took out the fuse"!!

That'll be £500 an hour sir.

 

[mainline]

Unless there was a bit of editing in the video he seemed to be testing the socket under the sink with no fuse in the spur... in fact the client actually says at the start.. "I took out the fuse"!!

Ahh yeah..... mmmm cool.

 

[Dustydazzler]

That'll be £500 an hour sir.

You may Joke

But there was a Wet plants plumber on YouTube the other day bragging how he just charged £900 for a single 1hr call=out to put a bit of Mastic around a shower tray

 

[DPG]

You may Joke

But there was a Wet plants plumber on YouTube the other day bragging how he just charged £900 for a single 1hr call=out to put a bit of Mastic around a shower tray

It's a crazy world.

 

[Dustydazzler]

It's a crazy world.

The tragic part is he wasn't even joking...

I can't decide which is worse the plumber charging £900 or the home owner for actually paying it...

 

[Dustydazzler]

Bosh...

 

[rewireIT]

Bosh...

Is the answer to the title 'competence' ?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Nah, couldn't pull the ruddy dishwashing machine out...

 

[rewireIT]

Nah, couldn't pull the ruddy dishwashing machine out...

I see he's just left the customer to continually reset the tripping RCD 'until they can get someone to sort the dishwasher out'. Solid plan.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I see he's just left the customer to continually reset the tripping RCD 'until they can get someone to sort the dishwasher out'. Solid plan.

To be fair this is possibly the only option Del had left given he didn't want to attempt dragging the dishwasher out himelf

 

[rewireIT]

To be fair this is possibly the only option Del had left given he didn't want to attempt dragging the dishwasher out himelf

It's not a fix though. He's just pitched up, done nowt except look in the FCU and then left. That'll be £100 please. It's not like it's a washing machine, it's a dishwasher. My wife can move ours.

 

[littlespark]

Take the dishes out first, Del… moves easier

 

[goasis]

I see he's just left the customer to continually reset the tripping RCD 'until they can get someone to sort the dishwasher out'. Solid plan.

was it the customer or Dels apprentice?!! he seemed to be doing most of the work!
someone should explain to Del how a SFS works, you dont have to unwire it to disconnect the load...

 

[rewireIT]

was it the customer or Dels apprentice?!! he seemed to be doing most of the work!
someone should explain to Del how a SFS works, you dont have to unwire it to disconnect the load...

sfs?

 

[goasis]

sfs?

switched fused spur/FCU

 

[Petej999]

Stopped watching him and CJR. I don’t think showing bad and or dangerous practice to the public enhances our trade at all.

AGREEE

 

[goasis]

AGREEE

Its like slowing down to look at a car accident, you know its not a good idea and wont achieve anything but you just cant help yourself!!!

 

[nicebutdim]

someone should explain to Del how a SFS works, you dont have to unwire it to disconnect the load...

Some aren't DP and won't isolate a N-E fault.

 

[goasis]

Some aren't DP and won't isolate a N-E fault.

really? ok i thought they all were but i stand corrected

 

[nicebutdim]

really? ok i thought they all were but i stand corrected

The majority certainly are, but apparently not all. Can't remember if this was discovered through the misfortune of someone in work or a nugget of information from this forum.

 

[nicebutdim]

@goasis

You got me thinking about this and, while I don't have access to a copy of BS1363, it seems as though it requires switched fuse spurs to isolate both poles. Unless this is incorrect, only a very old one could switch line only.

If I can find a spare £276 down the side of the settee, I'll get a copy of BS1363-4 and clear this up

 

[nicebutdim]

Managed to read the standard and stand corrected as switches on fused connection units must disconnect both poles.

 

[goasis]

Managed to read the standard and stand corrected as switches on fused connection units must disconnect both poles.

See, delroy us helping us all learn something!

 

[davesparks]

really? ok i thought they all were but i stand corrected

In more recent years they are all DP but in the past SP versions were available.

 

[Dustydazzler]

 

[rewireIT]

Without digging out the regs books, can anyone comment on the RCD socket he removed and replaced with a regular socket? Isn't a socket there full stop against regs since it's directly over a sink?

 

[goasis]

Dustydazzler... this shameless self promotion has to stop ....!

 

[goasis]

Without digging out the regs books, can anyone comment on the RCD socket he removed and replaced with a regular socket? Isn't a socket there full stop against regs since it's directly over a sink?

It may have been added in at some point, and if there's no RCD protection in the consumer unit, is a way to provide RCD protection compliance for the new work. Let's hope not though cos del just removed it....

 

[rewireIT]

It may have been added in at some point, and if there's no RCD protection in the consumer unit, is a way to provide RCD protection compliance for the new work. Let's hope not though cos del just removed it....

I just don't understand why, even if there is RCD protection at the board, you'd remove that socket for no reason, given where it is. I thought all sockets had to be at least 300mm away from the edge of a sink but not 100% sure of the regs on this

 

[Dustydazzler]

I just don't understand why, even if there is RCD protection at the board, you'd remove that socket for no reason, given where it is. I thought all sockets had to be at least 300mm away from the edge of a sink but not 100% sure of the regs on this

I think the 300mm rule was one one of the older Regs that no longer applies anymore. I have seen pop up sockets fitted in brand new kitchens right next to a new sink way closer than 300mm

 

[mart spark]

I just don't understand why, even if there is RCD protection at the board, you'd remove that socket for no reason, given where it is. I thought all sockets had to be at least 300mm away from the edge of a sink but not 100% sure of the regs on this

If memory serves me correctly it stated in the electrician's guide to the building regs that sockets should be at least 300mm from he edge of the sink's basin