Is this the worst install you have ever seen? *Feedback wanted!*

[Megatyte]

I'm sorry but I'm just not buying this. It's got to be a wind up.
Too many things wrong for it NOT to be deliberate.

A H

 

[john.irvine]

Forget part P just ring your local building dept, tell them the work you want to do, they will want copies of your qualifications and the electrical installation certificate an schedule of tests certificate which they keep.

 

[Knobhead]

90 posts and our OP still hasn't done anything about the situation.

 

[trev]

He will not be prosecuted for the standard of work

Not strictly true.

Unfortunately mate it is strictly true. You have to kill someone these days to get action taken against you. In an ideal world yes the installer would be brought to book over this but we don't live in that world

 

[stevesullivan]

Hi, I do hope you have disconnected this installation. not only is an atrocious install it is extremly dangerous as no earths have been connected under fault conditions whoever touched one of the light fittings would become the route to earth consequentially suffering a severe electric shock especially in wet conditions as is quite likely being an outdoor install. Is this so called electrician actually qualified and is he part p registered, did he issue any paper work this type of work is part p notifyable. This person should be reported who knows how many other installs he has done like this. It is a £5000 fine to carry out electrical work without the proper qualifacations and being part p registerd. your cousin has had a lucky escape.

 

[Guitarist]

Forget part P just ring your local building dept, tell them the work you want to do, they will want copies of your qualifications and the electrical installation certificate an schedule of tests certificate which they keep.

john, of course you can do this, but regardless of qualifications they will still want the application fee (£180+vat where I am).

 

[rmc86uk]

90 posts and our OP still hasn't done anything about the situation.

Hi Tony,

It's not that I've not done anything but this thread is getting printed out by my cousin and she has wrote a letter and holding meeting with this idiot when she comes back from holiday. I am overwhelmed with the amount of replies that this thread has received and I will be updating as and when I receive any info.

Cheers

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[Octopus]

Hi Tony,

It's not that I've not done anything but this thread is getting printed out by my cousin and she has wrote a letter and holding meeting with this idiot when she comes back from holiday. I am overwhelmed with the amount of replies that this thread has received and I will be updating as and when I receive any info.

Cheers

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At the very least you cousin should get her money back and the install removed. She then get a proper sparky to do it right,

 

[Taylortwocities]

john, of course you can do this, but regardless of qualifications they will still want the application fee (£180+vat where I am).

That is true for a stand-alone bit of work but there is no additional cost if the project is already subject to Building Regulations paperwork with the council.
90% of my work is like that, maybe I'll bin my NAPIT membership and not bother about the other 10%.

 

[sparky-gam]

That is seriously disgusting. I cant believe that was an electrician of 10 years. If hes registered then i suggest you do what you can to get jokers like this off our street.

 

[Guitarist]

That is true for a stand-alone bit of work but there is no additional cost if the project is already subject to Building Regulations paperwork with the council.
90% of my work is like that, maybe I'll bin my NAPIT membership and not bother about the other 10%.

Of course mate. I got the impression from john's post tho, that he was saying that if you are qualified and want to do notifiable work, simply tell LBC and they will ignore part P.

 

[Barry Rathbone]

Got his name and number? I would like to ring him up and do ME a job and i'll ram a screwdriver into his head and then i'll be put away for manslaughter rather than let this freak free to put someone else's life at risk.
This is not funny, at all,by any means he should be named and locked up for a minimum of 6 months and removed from any electrical qualifications he MAY hold.
And part P IS useless this post proves it!

 

[malcolmsanford]

That is disturbing... What is colloquially known as common sense should dictate that live exposed conductive parts should be covered never mind BS7671...

Burying T&E??? common...

and are the fittings even IP rated?

That said, please excuse my naivety but what is the problem with having the lights fed from a ring main (assuming the additional load would not take the circuit beyond max rated demand).

I have just done something similar to a new build house where they had run 6mm to a hob point that was going to feed an induction hob, but instead the owners fitted a gas hob and so there is 6mm cable on a 40am MCB to feed a tiny electrical spark... I have added a circuit that will feed a couple of electric heaters, a few lights and sockets.

I am a qualified electrician, but not a very practiced one (just qualified). and so am checking that I have not made an error that will have my work appearing on a new thread...

Well depending on what type of light fitting you have used you could contravene regulation 559.6.1.6 by exceeding the maximum of 16amp protective device advised for a lighting circuit.

Also how have you wired the accessories you say you fitted lights, heaters, sockets have you wired these looped in 6mm? or have you reduced the cable size?

 

[NeilG1967]

I assume you have altered the 40 amp circuit to a submain and installed a small DB supplying the final circuits to the sockets, heaters and lighting, therefore reducing cable csa appropriately. If not I would say not good practice. Hope this helps.

 

[sparks1973]

seriously this so called sparky hasnt a clue or doesnt care even if he had it on a RCD it wouldnt work it needs a earth and special location
ok i have heard all this before !!!
many years i visited electricians for their assessments and they would show me photos or tell me so and so done this and that and yes if it was in front of me i would report it straigth away but when i tell the electricain to report it they say oh i dont want the bother
either dont complain or report it this what is shown is a life threatening example bit of rain little kid and electrics makes for a distaster

and why would an RCD not work?...exposed-conductive-parts?..yes?......a potential earth path?..yes?....

 

[scubawomble]

I assume you have altered the 40 amp circuit to a submain and installed a small DB supplying the final circuits to the sockets, heaters and lighting, therefore reducing cable csa appropriately. If not I would say not good practice. Hope this helps.

Yes, thanks.. The 40amp circuit is feeding an IP55 garage CU with one way feeding lights one feeding a heater, one another and one the socket... and yes appropriately reduced cable csa for each circuit...

 

[scubawomble]

Well depending on what type of light fitting you have used you could contravene regulation 559.6.1.6 by exceeding the maximum of 16amp protective device advised for a lighting circuit.

Also how have you wired the accessories you say you fitted lights, heaters, sockets have you wired these looped in 6mm? or have you reduced the cable size?

Thanks for pointing that out.. the 6mm is feeding a garage sub DB (IP rated) with it's own earth rod, rcd and separate ways feeding each radial circuit, and yes each circuit is on a smaller csa cable...

thanks again for your feedback

 

[rjsv]

there is no way he's done 10 years electrical work, next episode of cowboy builders here we go

 

[mandrake]

The only thing I can see done correctly about that install is the fact he actually pushed the boat out and used 2 screws to hold the patress box to the wall......
I have to agree with all the rest, awful and downright dangerous. Some people should have their tools taken away. :90:

 

[Strima]

The only thing I can see done correctly about that install is the fact he actually pushed the boat out and used 2 screws to hold the patress box to the wall......

I'll bet he didn't install that box...

 

[mandrake]

I'll bet he didn't install that box...

LMAO, Nice one Strima, that never occurred to me, I bet he kicked the hole in the wall next to it tho...:yes:

 

[Strima]

It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[rmc86uk]

I'll bet he didn't install that box...

Your right as that box is the washing machine socket that was already installed.

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[Guitarist]

Keep us updated as to when this guy goes to jail....

 

[edexlab]

Worrying to see more of the competitions work (ha ha) it seems to be something we see more and more of , like many others I see jobs on a par with this occassionally and although I've not reported anyone yet I usually tell the customer to do so ,I don't understand why there is a reluctance to report shoddy workmanship as seen on other threads these people are literally taking work away from the decent tradesman apart from the fact that nothing seems to happen ,more pressure on the schemes is needed to get something done after all they claim to protect the customer .
A few years ago a Plumber /builder did some work for my mum and bodged all of it , ie dodgy/dangerous wiring ,boiler plumbing ,kitchen cupboards stuck up with nothing but silicone unbelievable but true! ,after some disagreements he refused any refunds and was reported to LABC and trading standards who started proceedings against him which resulted in a fine which did'nt even equal the amount it cost to put right.
I managed to catch up with him one day on a filling station forecourt in his newly named and sign written van and had a little chat with him about what he'd done at my mums house he denied it until I told him that there were photo's of the job with him in the background then he tried to fob me off with he was going through a sticky patch etc probably , anyway I told him that if I ever came across any of his wiring again I'd put his screwdrivers somewhere even a surgeon would have difficulty in removing them, and that I thought an apology was due to my mother
unbelievably He sent her a card and box of chocs and a discount card for any future work she might want him to do!
I'm sure he had a chuckle over this but he won't think that way after I next see him because it won't just be his screwdrivers he won't be able to find !

 

[Marco P]

Nice electric fence .........!
Do you have to kill mice or birds?

Is this guy an electrician?

 

[sparks1973]

well things DO get done...occasionally that is......anyone remember the guy that got hauled through the courts for not carrying out an R1 R2 and Zs on the socket feeding a washing machine.....in this case the plumber that came after them died from the shock imposed by this outlet`s wrong polarity......just a shame it usually takes a fatality first before anything`s done....such as this and the MP incident....

 

[Guitarist]

well things DO get done...occasionally that is......anyone remember the guy that got hauled through the courts for not carrying out an R1 R2 and Zs on the socket feeding a washing machine.....in this case the plumber that came after them died from the shock imposed by this outlet`s wrong polarity......just a shame it usually takes a fatality first before anything`s done....such as this and the MP incident....

This is the real tragedy... It does take a death before anything gets done.
When I was in industry, we had a system called "near miss", which covered any incident which didn't result in any injury, but could have gone badly wrong, but for the grace of God. Anything reported in this category had to be dealt with immediately, just as if a tragedy had actually happened. Shame the councils and trading standards don't have a similar approach.

 

[Trevor R]

Just seen the OP photos... would say its time for whoever did that to hang up their meter... but I don't suppose they have one!

 

[kkckkc]

This is so incredibly dangerous (I think it's fair to assume, he may well have shorted out the safety switches in the junction box...!!!) ... that you need to report the idiot, before he really causes someone's house to burn down...!

 

[BillyTheSparks]

I'm sure that if the poor MP who lost her Daughter was to see this, there would definitely be something done about this guy.

I would send these pictures to that MP and ask him what he thinks of the Part P which is currently in force. Perhaps getting him onside would be good for your case. Not that you should need it.

That "workmanship" (if you can call it that) is absolutely disgusting!

 

[Guitarist]

I would send these pictures to that MP and ask him what he thinks of the Part P which is currently in force. Perhaps getting him onside would be good for your case. Not that you should need it.

That "workmanship" (if you can call it that) is absolutely disgusting!

I believe it was a Lady MP who lost her daughter, and I'm sure that if she saw this, she would be disgusted.

 

[sparks1973]

Just seen the OP photos... would say its time for whoever did that to hang up their meter... but I don't suppose they have one!

the only meter this emptyhead has is the one that registers quick quid....££££££

 

[Guitarist]

He's putting your cousin's life in danger with this kind of electrical work, When it rains, current pass everywhere (metal fence, wood, lighting fixture), cause water is a good conductor of electricity. All wiring connection must be covered tightly wrapped with an electrical tape, and wire must be put inside a metal or pvc pipe running throughout in an open environment.

You shouldn't be recommending this as a way of making the installation safe nerj, as it also contravenes the electrical regs, as well as being dangerous.

 

[trev]

He's putting your cousin's life in danger with this kind of electrical work, When it rains, current pass everywhere (metal fence, wood, lighting fixture), cause water is a good conductor of electricity. All wiring connection must be covered tightly wrapped with an electrical tape, and wire must be put inside a metal or pvc pipe running throughout in an open environment.

That might be ok where you're from mate but in the UK it isn't

 

[tigerpaul]

That might be ok where you're from mate but in the UK it isn't

Exactly!

 

[HandySparks]

You shouldn't be recommending this as a way of making the installation safe nerj, as it also contravenes the electrical regs, as well as being dangerous.

I've reported the post. If enough members do the same, maybe we can influence the mods to chuck this sort of poster off. There've been several like this recently.

 

[trev]

I've reported the post. If enough members do the same, maybe we can influence the mods to chuck this sort of poster off. There've been several like this recently.

I'm cutting him a bit of slack because he's from the Phillipines and they rpobably do things a lot differently there. A UK poster coming out with this would be reported instantly

 

[Guitarist]

I'm cutting him a bit of slack because he's from the Phillipines and they rpobably do things a lot differently there. A UK poster coming out with this would be reported instantly

You are generous trev. Have you read some of his other posts?

 

[trev]

You are generous trev. Have you read some of his other posts?

CRIKEY! He should have stopped after his first.

 

[Marvo]

I'm cutting him a bit of slack because he's from the Phillipines and they rpobably do things a lot differently there.

Me too. Tape joints might be acceptable in the Philippines whereas not in the UK. Possibly he was referring to self-amalgamating tape which is quite commonly seen where I am as well.

 

[Strima]

CRIKEY! He should have stopped after his first.

Just read them and they have raised a smile on my normally rough and cragged exterior...

 

[Guitarist]

Me too. Tape joints might be acceptable in the Philippines whereas not in the UK. Possibly he was referring to self-amalgamating tape which is quite commonly seen where I am as well.

It's nice to cut people some slack, but he IS posting on a UK site with advice for our readers. Maybe if the cowboy who did the "work" originally reads this, he may go and pop some tape around to make the connection safer

 

[robsparky1975]

Forget part P just ring your local building dept, tell them the work you want to do, they will want copies of your qualifications and the electrical installation certificate an schedule of tests certificate which they keep.

Exactly,what a lot do not know is that this is an acceptable thing to do,the only trouble is it will cost perhaps £60-80 as an unregistered(nic,elecsa etc)sparks every notifyable job,if most of someones work is domestic then it makes sense to pay the redicoulous amount of £444 .I think the op should do the work and notify as stated in this post.

 

[Guitarist]

Exactly,what a lot do not know is that this is an acceptable thing to do,the only trouble is it will cost perhaps £60-80 as an unregistered(nic,elecsa etc)sparks every notifyable job,if most of someones work is domestic then it makes sense to pay the redicoulous amount of £444 .I think the op should do the work and notify as stated in this post.

I think it depends on the particular LBC. Mine simply would not recognise anyone (regardless of qualifications) unless they are part P registered. It was completely black & white when I tried to discuss this very matter with them.

 

[Brit90]

I just had a look at these photo's and that is exactly the same problem I have here in Thailand where I now work.
The work is ALL like that, apart from NO connector blocks, but twisted cables. They do use tape on the joints though which is a bonus, when I have to redo all the work...

Terrible install and I hope this guy is removed from the profession as soon as possible!

Tb90

 

[jay2k11]

I thought i'd seen some things but that is beond belief .....

- - - Updated - - -

I thought i'd seen some things but that is beond belief .....

 

[sparks1973]

i bet you all he`s been installin today someware abouts......someones in for a shock...thats for sure.....lol...

 

[reefagrim]

oh yes it can be typical this was found from a inspection that i carried out on a new installation .the installer was not from the uk ( turkey i believe ) and this was a spurred joint on a ring in a shop.Twisted wire and tape!!
what made it worse was the fact that the work had been signed off on official certifcation of my former employers no names but very big organisation north of luton when i questioned this certificate not only was it signed by a approved contractor but it was on a periodic sheet for a new install. hence the out come was to call in the organisation who forced the electrician who signed it off to visit me . now the best bit
he admitted that he carried out a test prior to the new installation but not the work done since and it was found that the builder had installed it himself then tried to change the date on the certificate he is currently not in the country as he is being taken to court by the client nice eh!! as for the final report that i issued on this installation lets say i said i would take about 3 hours to carry out the test 12 hours later i found 172 code 1 issues 34 code 2 and 2 A4 sides of code 4 ( i prefer the old codes)

 

[mr murdock]

a case for watchdog if ever there was one