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Should the whole of Europe have a vote on Brexit?And... thinking about it... surely the whole of the UK should have a vote on Scottish independence and the breaking up of the union ?
Its the same principle.
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Should the whole of Europe have a vote on Brexit?And... thinking about it... surely the whole of the UK should have a vote on Scottish independence and the breaking up of the union ?
At our Scottish friends,
There seems to be total confusion regarding the EU membership here, the SNP are in a catch 22 and always have been, if Scotland were to become independent then they cannot remain a member of the EU, this was applicable in 2014 and still is today (even if Brexit wasn't a factor), they would have to reapply yet they fail to meet the essential criteria to be allowed entry.
This is why the Scottish independence ref'1 was lost mainly because of what key players in Europe had made clear - Mr Van Rompuy, Mr Barosso and Mr Juncker all clearly stated that if Scotland went independent they would have to reapply through the the normal process, if this was to occur then any deal would be much less favourable than the ones they enjoy as part of the UK, also Barroso clearly stated Scotland rejoining the EU would be 'extremely difficult' - this was a reflection on their current economic status and GDP levels.
The SNP are playing a divisive game by claiming it is in fact the UK and Brexit is dragging them out of the EU against their will, it is the fact that the goal of the SNP would itself take them out of the EU with a very steep hill to climb to rejoin and that is also considering it would be a far less beneficial agreement (hope you like the impending acceptance of the Euro down that road).
The SNP are simply like UKIP - a one goal party but unlike UKIP the SNP's destination would cause an outcome they claim to stand against, the irony here is overwhelming and why trying to rally support by claiming that the UK is dragging them out of the EU is gross hypocrisy.
As I said earlier, now brexit is a definite there is no real option for the SNP - all paths lead to coming out of the EU what isn't true is Brexit alone is to blame, and independent Scotland would trigger the same outcome.
Here is a snippet of news from 2014 and where the EU clearly stood on an Independent Scotland - Juncker will respect Scottish result - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28231347
At our Scottish friends,
There seems to be total confusion regarding the EU membership here, the SNP are in a catch 22 and always have been, if Scotland were to become independent then they cannot remain a member of the EU, this was applicable in 2014 and still is today (even if Brexit wasn't a factor), they would have to reapply yet they fail to meet the essential criteria to be allowed entry.
This is why the Scottish independence ref'1 was lost mainly because of what key players in Europe had made clear - Mr Van Rompuy, Mr Barosso and Mr Juncker all clearly stated that if Scotland went independent they would have to reapply through the the normal process, if this was to occur then any deal would be much less favourable than the ones they enjoy as part of the UK, also Barroso clearly stated Scotland rejoining the EU would be 'extremely difficult' - this was a reflection on their current economic status and GDP levels.
The SNP are playing a divisive game by claiming it is in fact the UK and Brexit is dragging them out of the EU against their will, it is the fact that the goal of the SNP would itself take them out of the EU with a very steep hill to climb to rejoin and that is also considering it would be a far less beneficial agreement (hope you like the impending acceptance of the Euro down that road).
The SNP are simply like UKIP - a one goal party but unlike UKIP the SNP's destination would cause an outcome they claim to stand against, the irony here is overwhelming and why trying to rally support by claiming that the UK is dragging them out of the EU is gross hypocrisy.
As I said earlier, now brexit is a definite there is no real option for the SNP - all paths lead to coming out of the EU what isn't true is Brexit alone is to blame, and independent Scotland would trigger the same outcome.
Here is a snippet of news from 2014 and where the EU clearly stood on an Independent Scotland - Juncker will respect Scottish result - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28231347
There's no doubt that an independent Scotland that is a full member of the EU would have to surrender virtually all fiscal policy to Brussels in return for massive EU funding... On the EU graph of who are the net contributors/beneficiaries, Scotland would be right there next to Greece !I will also throw another elephant into the room, lets say Scotland goes independent, they are going to have turn their economy around, catch up on their debts a bit and do all this while losing a massive chunk of money that the UK has been propping them up with for 30yrs, if they cannot turn their economy with the UK heavily supporting them, how do we see the future when that money stops flowing, the only silver lining here is they will probably get their fishing grounds back in the next few years and see that industry boom the irony been because we are out of the EU.
Their full title is "The Conservative and Unionist Party"... the clue's in the name.Why are a Conservative Government so intent on keeping a partner they see as a financial drain.
Their full title is "The Conservative and Unionist Party"... the clue's in the name.
There's no doubt that an independent Scotland that is a full member of the EU would have to surrender virtually all fiscal policy to Brussels in return for massive EU funding... On the EU graph of who are the net contributors/beneficiaries, Scotland would be right there next to Greece !
Since this thread went this way, I've read of all sorts of facts & figures about how much is Scotland's GDP, how much the UK gives in grants or whatever the term is and how much the UK is Scotland's biggest receiver of goods, how much Scotland makes or not on oil revenue, fishers etc etc.
But they are all wildly differing in viewpoint, depending on the source of that information. So again, bit like Brexit, no one truly knows what would happen, until it happens.
Oh dear, so rather than post HMRC's reflective comparative data you post one of the most biased nationalist reports, I'm sorry but this ain't going to win any discourse here, I now see why you are down the rabbit hole which is a shame, I was expecting something better, I agree in part about the national newspapers take on it been biased but that is not where I source my info from, again you fail to address the many weeks of factual data I supply and show any counter argument or rebut, you simply carry on pushing your ideology while ignoring the points raised that I have backed up and can be easily be confirmed.More info on GERS
From a pro indy site (they use external sources to back up data)
The six key facts about GERS (2018)
We’re just going to reprint this piece every year, because only the numbers change. Today saw the publication of the 2017-18 GERS stats, which are once again triggering a convulsive orgy of &…wingsoverscotland.com
You are correct and normally I would but we tend to avoid staffing threads we get involved with personally to ensure we are impartial, as this would not effect my involvement in the conversation then I will look into opening a new thread and bringing this one to a conclusion as it no longer has any input on it's original direction.Hello all, i think my thread has gone awal... lol
Would it be better to start a new thread " Scottish Independence".....
Then forum members can assign their valuable time appropriately.
thx
I’d like to see a dedicated thread also, don’t have much to offer but I am enjoying the cut and thrust of a good argument from both sides ?
It's only a matter of time before baldelectrician comes over to our way of thinking... I feel like we're on the cusp of a major breakthrough...I’d like to see a dedicated thread also, don’t have much to offer but I am enjoying the cut and thrust of a good argument from both sides ?
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