Letting agents and part p certs

[nickynackynoos]

Good morning everyone,

quick question regarding letting agents.

In a nut shell we completed Eicr property had very old board no rcd no sealed light in bathroom etc anyhow we quoted and the work was excepted. Work completed Thursday and cert for eicr sent over to letting agency as they had new tenant moving in Monday. So 5pm yesterday I get a call from a really angry letting agency demanding the part p straight away as it’s my legal requirement to have it to him before someone moving in.

I tried to explain we do our part p certs at the weekend and it will emailed over to him Monday but oh no not good enough. He really got my back up telling me he won’t move the tenant in until he has it and that his own electrician has said he should get onto us as we are breaking the law etc but not supplying the building control certification. He is also demanding to see the invoices and receipts for the job which I said are none of his business and if he wants a copy of the invoice request it from the landlord as he paid not them.

all the electricians are working away this weekend and are not allowed their phones due to security so cannot ask them what to tell them so any advice would be appreciated. This group has always helped me out so just need to know what to say

thank you
Nicky

 

[littlespark]

As far as I’m aware, the letting agent only asks for a satisfactory EICR to be done.
The part p part is then notified to the local council by you, not the agent?

what did you do that needed part p? Bathroom light would just be a replacement. Was it a full new board or new circuit somewhere?

I’m not fully up on part p as I am in Scotland and don’t require it.

 

[buzzlightyear]

It's nowt to do with you you pass the test cert to the landlord and he passes on to them., you are the they say piggy in the middle. I did a test last year when the land lord asked me to pdf to letting agent and it was unsatisfactory, they rang up saying what are those codes and can't understand them, thicko.

 

[nickynackynoos]

As far as I’m aware, the letting agent only asks for a satisfactory EICR to be done.
The part p part is then notified to the local council by you, not the agent?

what did you do that needed part p? Bathroom light would just be a replacement. Was it a full new board or new circuit somewhere?

I’m not fully up on part p as I am in Scotland and don’t require it.

We replaced the consumer unit, we will be notifying but he has said he needs it for Monday first thing as the tenant cannot legally move in without it he has had the Eicr so that the tenant can, seems the Other electrician is annoyed he did not get the work however he wanted £900 for a new board a bathroom light and change 2 socket fronts, greedy and angry by the looks of it. Probably the letting agent gets a cut

 

[nickynackynoos]

It's nowt to do with you you pass the test cert to the landlord and he passes on to them.

The letting agent wanted the bills and receipts, no chance told him none of his business as invoice was paid directly by the landlord, he was really aggressive that the part p was required for the tenant to move in and that I should know that and was trying to break the law. I told him we did the eicr straight away for them to move the tenant in and for now that’s what he needed.

the part p will be done at weekend and sent to the customer surely it’s for him to pass on to them if they want it. All other letting agencies and council work we have done have only been interested in the Eicr cert which they required for 1st April no one else even though sent were interested in what was done to get the property to pass the eicr.

He will get the part p and the way he is acting I would like to just delay it, I know I have time to record it with the Niceic

 

[Pretty Mouth]

I detest letting agents. The ultimate social parasite. Make sure your/his client are CC'd in on any correspondence, as this is a great opportunity to make him look like a prize ---.

You (or your scheme more accurately) have 30 days to deliver the building regs cert. See 3.4 of the Part P approved doc here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441872/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf

...and, not that it's YOUR problem, the landlord has 28 days to present the documentation on the remedial work . Here is the legislation, 3_(5)(b).

The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020

These Regulations impose duties on private landlords of residential premises in England in respect of electrical safety standards. The duties do not apply to landlords of social housing. The Regulations require local housing authorities to enforce the duties, and include a power to arrange...

www.legislation.gov.uk

So tell him, seeing as he spoke so kindly to you when he wanted something doing so desperately in such a hurry, that you will ensure that you meet yours and his obligations by delivering the cert 27 days after the remedials being completed.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I told him we did the eicr straight away for them to move the tenant

You have done the job, wait till done.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Theirs a lot of shizters landlords not and will not abade to the new laws, until this government stop doing a Chinese whispering down the corridor of Whitehall, make it plan on TV what land Lords must do.

 

[pc1966]

he was really aggressive that the part p was required for the tenant to move in and that I should know that and was trying to break the law.

Ask him to provide that statement in writing citing the relevant parts of the regulations to back it up.

I suspect he will go very quiet.

 

[nickynackynoos]

I detest letting agents. The ultimate social parasite. Make sure your/his client are CC'd in on any correspondence, as this is a great opportunity to make him look like a prize ---.

You (or your scheme more accurately) have 30 days to deliver the building regs cert. See 3.4 of the Part P approved doc here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/441872/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf

...and, not that it's YOUR problem, the landlord has 28 days to present the documentation on the remedial work . Here is the legislation, 3_(5)(b).

The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020

These Regulations impose duties on private landlords of residential premises in England in respect of electrical safety standards. The duties do not apply to landlords of social housing. The Regulations require local housing authorities to enforce the duties, and include a power to arrange...

www.legislation.gov.uk

So tell him, seeing as he spoke so kindly to you when he wanted something doing so desperately in such a hurry, that you will ensure that you meet yours and his obligations by delivering the cert 27 days after the remedials being completed.

Thank you I have sent this to him as a little reminder and a weekend read, thank you so much.

 

[nickynackynoos]

It's nowt to do with you you pass the test cert to the landlord and he passes on to them., you are the they say piggy in the middle. I did a test last year when the land lord asked me to pdf to letting agent and it was unsatisfactory, they rang up saying what are those codes and can't understand them, thicko.

Well this letting agent said it’s a shame I know the laws and you don’t. Think he will have to wait the 30 days now oh well

 

[Baddegg]

Lack of preparation on the agents part doesn’t make it an emergency on yours......I don’t deal with estate agents, parasites the lot of em, tell him you will send all relevant paperwork to all relevant persons in the legally accepted time frames, and if any of that applies to him he’ll receive it in due course, I’d also say any further questions from him regarding the paperwork will be chargeable ?

 

[pirate]

Not all letting agents and estate agents are parasites...just saying

However, so many have no qualifications and are not aware of the law

Those who do know their job properly can be excellent, but I accept they are in the minority

 

[James]

Problem is,

the letting agent may well stop Tennant moving in because of incorrect knowledge
they will blame you, not themselves
the landlord then looses out, and it is then your job to educate the landlord or you have an unhappy customer blaming you.

a good estate agent is a rare thing, many are parasites that will lie and cheat to cover there own behind.

 

[nickynackynoos]

Thank you everyone helpful as always

have a great weekend ?

 

[nickynackynoos]

Problem is,

the letting agent may well stop Tennant moving in because of incorrect knowledge
they will blame you, not themselves
the landlord then looses out, and it is then your job to educate the landlord or you have an unhappy customer blaming you.

a good estate agent is a rare thing, many are parasites that will lie and cheat to cover there own behind.

Too true. I have replied to the letting agent reminding him of the 30 days and reiterating that what the landlord has paid me and receipts etc are none of his business and as we are acting on behalf on our client and not him any future questions or correspondence should come via them. I have also gently reminded them that as they had not actually informed the landlord of the requirements and change in lawnand that as they are ones taking the percentage of the rent each month perhaps they should turn their attentions to their own requirements and leave us to ours.

 

[Baddegg]

Not all letting agents and estate agents are parasites...just saying

However, so many have no qualifications and are not aware of the law

Those who do know their job properly can be excellent, but I accept they are in the minority

I was generalising @pirate and that is wrong I know, I know you are right.....it’s just the only ones I’ve ever met lie through they massive white teeth and genuinely believe looking like a love island donut is more important than actually knowing and or doing they jobs.....@James has hit the nail on the head...,the loser will be the tenant and it won’t be the agents fault!

 

[James]

I was generalising @pirate and that is wrong I know, I know you are right.....it’s just the only ones I’ve ever met lie through they massive white teeth and genuinely believe looking like a love island donut is more important than actually knowing and or doing they jobs.....@James has hit the nail on the head...,the loser will be the tenant and it won’t be the agents fault!

Incorrect

the looser will be everyone involved, except of course the agent who could climb out of a cess pit, bright white and smelling of roses!

 

[Rockingit]

Worthwhile pointing out, here..... even if you actioned the Part P submission this morning, it won't get actioned by the scheme until Monday at the very earliest and the relevant BC office won't file it for days.

Sounds like this agent is a total knob-jockey and probably in cahoots with the other electrician in just trying to make you look bad.

 

[nickynackynoos]

Worthwhile pointing out, here..... even if you actioned the Part P submission this morning, it won't get actioned by the scheme until Monday at the very earliest and the relevant BC office won't file it for days.

Sounds like this agent is a total knob-jockey and probably in cahoots with the other electrician in just trying to make you look bad.

He did say it was the other electrician who backed his view that I was breaking the law

 

[buzzlightyear]

did say it was the other electrician who backed his view that I was breaking the law

What laws this not doing Eic before time or the EICR on time.

 

[Dartlec]

Worthwhile pointing out, here..... even if you actioned the Part P submission this morning, it won't get actioned by the scheme until Monday at the very earliest and the relevant BC office won't file it for days.

Sounds like this agent is a total knob-jockey and probably in cahoots with the other electrician in just trying to make you look bad.

True - though the NICEIC one does generate an online certificate you can immediately download now - they are available at midnight following the form being completed (Can't see a reason why that bit wouldn't work at weekends, since it's automated).

But in either case, the Part P notification has nothing to do with the legislation for landlords, so this is clearly a letting agent who either wants to look like he knows everything, or is being awkward because he missed out on a cut.

Having said that, there is the general requirement of a landlord to maintain a 'safe installation' at all time, regardless of the EICR requirements - so I guess you could stretch and say that they need to satisfy themselves that any work has been done to the legal standards (which would involve a Part P notification for notifiable work).

If the letting agent was working on behalf of the landlord, then it would be reasonable for them to want to know that contractors doing work were appropriately Part P registered, for example, and that notification would be happening within the allowed time. A polite enquiry or a check on the competent persons register should have resolved that (and could have been asked of the landlord since he arranged and paid)

That's very different from demanding documents that he likely wouldn't have a clue how to interpret anyway (and has no right to anyway since he wasn't involved)

Sounds very much like someone didn't get their cut from work and is unhappy.

 

[Dartlec]

He did say it was the other electrician who backed his view that I was breaking the law

It's the landlord who has legal responsibility, not the electrician. Maybe the letting agent's rant should be directed at them - who then might see what sort of person they are employing and look elsewhere with any luck.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Some estate agents want their cut from contracted spark, and charge the landlord for the services, some land Lords rather go direct to the spark, me don't do e/agents they expect you do do for nowt.

 

[nickynackynoos]

What laws this not doing Eic before time or the EICR on time.

The landlord just called me and said that its not even a new tenant its a new tenancy with the same tenant, he said they told him that we were breaking the law but he had called a few letting agents today and they said they were talking crap and then he spoke to the other electrician who works for them and he said we were not even registered and that by changing the board and not supplying the full Niceic part p at the time we were not registered and we should be reported to the Niceic for using their logo and we can be taken to court and that fitting a board a new light and 2 socket front changes for less than £800 proved we were not registered, he said no the price was £900 and he said yeah the £100 for the agency commission cheeky buggers. Anyhow i talked him through the Niceic web page where he found our Approved Contractor details, the landlord said sorry would we like another job and we left on mutual terms agreeing he would contact the actual agency first thing Monday morning. He said you dont have to be a brain surgeon to work out why they have done and said what they have but funny enough the Landlord actually is a brain surgeon

Thanks again for the replies i believe this has now been put to bed !

Nicky

 

[Baddegg]

Worthwhile pointing out, here..... even if you actioned the Part P submission this morning, it won't get actioned by the scheme until Monday at the very earliest and the relevant BC office won't file it for days.

Sounds like this agent is a total knob-jockey and probably in cahoots with the other electrician in just trying to make you look bad.

We prefer the great @buzzlightyear version.....,knobskull ??

 

[loz2754]

Knobskull!

(Sorry I just wanted to say it out loud..)

 

[littlespark]

Knobskull!

(Sorry I just wanted to say it out loud..)

KNOBSKULL!

(mines is louder!)

 

[DPG]

I was generalising @pirate and that is wrong I know, I know you are right.....it’s just the only ones I’ve ever met lie through they massive white teeth and genuinely believe looking like a love island donut is more important than actually knowing and or doing they jobs.....@James has hit the nail on the head...,the loser will be the tenant and it won’t be the agents fault!

Electricians always generalise.

 

[UNG]

Seems a common thing with letting agents they want to make money at every twist and turn, they will take their 10% of the rent and put 10% on the cost of work they organise and if the landlord tries to get out of the contract they want paying for that as well

 

[pc1966]

If they actually organise the work, check it was done, and arrange payment, etc, then taking a percent on top is perfectly reasonable.

But they have no right to that should the landlord sort it out directly!

 

[UNG]

If they actually organise the work, check it was done, and arrange payment, etc, then taking a percent on top is perfectly reasonable.

But they have no right to that should the landlord sort it out directly!

A percent would be reasonable I've heard of 10 - 20% being taken with regard to organising the work what does the 10% creamed of the rent cover is that not a management fee

 

[Deleted account]

I often worked for one estate agent who was brilliant.

gave me plenty of notice. Paid straight away.

would take my word for any thing I recommended.

I never ripped him off, in fact I charged him alot less than other estate agents would get charged.

I would go out of my way for him. If a Tennant needed to be in on a certain date I’d ensure works where completed on time.

There are exceptions.

 

[hasel5]

Maybe the Landlord needs to find a new letting agent that would get the parasite letting agent spinning on the spot

 

[Micktw68]

Letting agent talking out of his A hole. As usual.