New build 2nd fix after original contractor gone AWOL

[Bellendian]

As the title really....been asked to 2nd fix a couple of new builds....original contractor no longer available, I don't know why. 1st fix completed, everything plastered up...
Somehow these houses need to be completed, but I'm not signing an EIC stating that I've first fixed when I haven't...
This must come up all the time, so I guess their must be a workable solution that keeps everyone happy?

Cheers

 

[Toneyz]

The electrician must have belonged to a scheme, what do yours and theirs advise?

 

[123]

I'd find out why existing contractor is no longer available.

I got asked to do similar with a new build a couple of years ago. Turns out existing contractor wouldn't return as he hadn't been paid for the works. And on a little further digging nor had most trades on the job.

 

[Octopus]

The electrician must have belonged to a scheme, what do yours and theirs advise?

That's strictly not true. The BC may accept their qualifications and allow them to notify directly ...

 

[buzzlightyear]

As the title really....been asked to 2nd fix a couple of new builds....original contractor no longer available, I don't know why. 1st fix completed, everything plastered up...
Somehow these houses need to be completed, but I'm not signing an EIC stating that I've first fixed when I haven't...
This must come up all the time, so I guess their must be a workable solution that keeps everyone happy?

you need your eyes wide open on this one op ,I would think like 123.alarm bells might start ring .

 

[Octopus]

First contractor not available ................ probably owed lots of money ....

 

[buzzlightyear]

This must come up all the time, so I guess their must be a workable solution that keeps everyone happy?

which scam are you with op .

 

[buzzlightyear]

the pages are open till the post is finished .take your time we have all night .

 

[Midwest]

I with the OP, guess it happens on more than one occasion, you know what builders (developer's) are like. When monies involved I bet it gets swept under the concrete carpet.

 

[Bellendian]

Ha! I'm with nic, apparently original guy was as well. Nic reckon one option is to see if bco will accept eicr rather than eic to enable bco to issue a completion cert. I.e. I would not notify the work via self cert scheme, bco would issue part p compliance, and I would issue eicr to confirm all my work in order....
What bothers me is what happens when I'm testing, and turns out IR is ----ed since cable pinched or screwed through as 1st fix was pony.....
It's gonna be daywork I think...

 

[telectrix]

looks like:

 

[buzzlightyear]

What bothers me is what happens when I'm testing, and turns out IR is ****ed since cable pinched or screwed through as 1st fix was pony.....
It's gonna be daywork I think...

you know the nic do not do third party , so it down to the builder to sort that out .not you .
good luck if it was me I would walk away .just remember your insurance has well .

 

[Toneyz]

That's strictly not true. The BC may accept their qualifications and allow them to notify directly ...

In that case, there will be a paper trail of who done the work.
You'll all hellbent on thinking the worst have you ever thought that the original electrician may have had to stop working for health reasons for example. This can't have been the first time that this has happened. You know who the contractor was he may well be able to sign off an electrical installation certificate for the first fix. Before you take on this contract this is something that you need to address with the builder regarding issues outside your contracted role. The NICEIC and LBC should be helping you to do the right thing this may well be that this is now through LBC and the extra cost taken out of the previous electrician's retention monies.

 

[Bellendian]

Yeah, we aren't talking 3rd party here, even if nic did operate such a scheme, i'd only sign off if i'd witnessed 1st fix before boarding.
Eicr route effectively means bco taking responsibility for first fix as I see it. Question is; will they? Find out tomorrow I guess...

 

[Octopus]

Yeah, we aren't talking 3rd party here, even if nic did operate such a scheme, i'd only sign off if i'd witnessed 1st fix before boarding.
Eicr route effectively means bco taking responsibility for first fix as I see it. Question is; will they? Find out tomorrow I guess...

Not all BCO's will accept EICR's .........

 

[buzzlightyear]

Yeah, we aren't talking 3rd party here, even if nic did operate such a scheme, i'd only sign off if i'd witnessed 1st fix before boarding.
Eicr route effectively

third party is not niceic goes I afraid.
again, it is down to the builder . I would not do it .I have been down that road before .either strip out or except it ,and I will be down to you. good luck .

 

[Toneyz]

Not all BCO's will accept EICR's .........

Nore should they, it's not how Part P notification was supposed to work.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Yeah, we aren't talking 3rd party here, even if nic did operate such a scheme, i'd only sign off if i'd witnessed 1st fix before boarding.
Eicr route effectively

third party is not niceic goes I afraid.
again, it is down to the builder . I would not do it .I have been down that road before .either strip out or except it ,and I will be down to you. good luck .

 

[buzzlightyear]

Yeah, we aren't talking 3rd party here, even if nic did operate such a scheme, i'd only sign off if i'd witnessed 1st fix before boarding.
Eicr route effectively

third party is not niceic goes I afraid.
again, it is down to the builder . I would not do it .I have been down that road before .either strip out or except it ,and I will be down to you. good luck .

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

You have repeated yourself 3 times Buzz?

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I would do the 2nd fix only after speaking to building control and make customer pay the building control fees to have them sign it off, building control will then have to come out and test it themselves via there own contractor. they may want to come out before 2nd fix then again afterwards.

 

[Rpa07]

You’ve not met Buzz, I said, I said, I said you not met Buzz?

 

[Octopus]

You have repeated yourself 3 times Buzz?

Stutter?

Happened to me today ......not deliberate ....

 

[Toneyz]

Stutter?

Happened to me today ......not deliberate ....

Buzz will do anything to try to knock Pete off the top monthly post position.

 

[Midwest]

Whilst I agree with the concerns some have, a practical approach must be made with caveats made about responsibilities.

These properties will be on agreed completion dates & build schedules. To remove the existing work is both impracticable & unreasonable causing disruption & repair cost to the structure.

 

[telectrix]

agree.inspect and test first fix as best you can, then write in a caveat stating the fact that 1st fix carried out by A.N. Other .

 

[buzzlightyear]

Stutter?

dddd that all folks

DDDDD

 

[Nigel]

I would suggest some sampling be done to inspect hidden works. Then this would give you an insight into the previous contractors forst fix works.

Then take it from there. If happy with what you see then personally I would not have an issue with signing off an EIC.

I would however make it very clear to the contractor that no warranty will be in place whatsoever for any electrical works. Any call backs will need to be covered by the PC.

 

[Andy78]

Got one of these tonight, through recommendation. I don't really like to refuse recommendations but this one I did.

Something not quite right.
Landlord who needs a second fix including test, cert, notify etc. First fix spark is too busy/is standoffish making him difficult to deal with/has personal things going on/won't answer the phone...... depending on which part of the phone call I choose to believe.

Then he starts asking me about which brands I use for sockets and consumer units, not that he's going to do it himself you understand, he knows a lot of sparks. A lot of good sparks. He has many to choose from. He makes this known several times in the conversation.

Sigh......

 

[The Ghost]

Although I am able to do third party sign off with Stroma...I got involved in second fix and testing on an extension and it turned out to be a nightmare. I think the bottom line is if I haven't done the first fix or personally supervised it, don't do that ever again! Quite a bit of two way switching, in the lounge (30 sq. m) and the builders had forgot to cut out box for switch on two two way strappers and switch wire had to fit box and fish them out of rockwool. Supply taken from switched rose in lounge to the next room. New supply cable had to be put in they had to lift part of the roof to get the cable in. Wrong switch wire in kitchen/dining room (should have been in lounge on two way switching again!) It was a nightmare sorting it out and figuring out what was going wrong and putting it right while the builders were suggesting it was my fault. Never again. If I am not in at the beginning forget it.
Oh yes and in the bathroom five cables in two places supposed to be going into lights (no way) had to cut hole in ceiling and wago them and drop down one cable and so on!

 

[Toneyz]

Although I am able to do third party sign off with Stroma...I got involved in second fix and testing on an extension and it turned out to be a nightmare. I think the bottom line is if I haven't done the first fix or personally supervised it, don't do that ever again! Quite a bit of two way switching, in the lounge (30 sq. m) and the builders had forgot to cut out box for switch on two two way strappers and switch wire had to fit box and fish them out of rockwool. Supply taken from switched rose in lounge to the next room. New supply cable had to be put in they had to lift part of the roof to get the cable in. Wrong switch wire in kitchen/dining room (should have been in lounge on two way switching again!) It was a nightmare sorting it out and figuring out what was going wrong and putting it right YOU CAN BE PROFESSIONAL UPTO THIS POINT ITS THE NEXT BITwhile the builders were suggesting it was my fault. Never again. If I am not in at the beginning forget it.
Oh yes and in the bathroom five cables in two places supposed to be going into lights (no way) had to cut hole in ceiling and wago them and drop down one cable and so on!

SEE ABOVE.

 

[The Ghost]

SEE ABOVE

Where?

 

[Toneyz]

Where?

I wrote in caps.

 

[The Ghost]

Ah I thought you were suggesting I look at some comment above mine but presumably you meant this to the OP?
EDIT: Just seen it now

 

[Toneyz]

Ah I thought you were suggesting I look at some comment above mine but presumably you meant this to the OP?

You got to the point of saying about the wiring and putting it right I typed in CAPS you can be professional up to that point meaning although A.P.I.T.A. being a competent electrician you can sort it out what the turning point in the next sentence is where you get the blame as if its your fault and become the villain.

 

[Jjc]

First contractor not available ................ probably owed lots of money ....

Don't get involved

 

[JK-Electrical]

 

[Bellendian]

Cheers, I put a price in, plus plenty of caveats....not sure the builder liked the caveats...or the price! So looks like I dodged a bullet. Apparently another guy is doing it cheaper, and is also going to issue full EIC. Good luck to him, but not something I would do.

 

[telectrix]

Cheers, I put a price in, plus plenty of caveats....not sure the builder liked the caveats...or the price! So looks like I dodged a bullet. Apparently another guy is doing it cheaper, and is also going to issue full EIC. Good luck to him, but not something I would do.

best way. a high price means that if you get it, you'r e quids in, if not, you've no redress if it goes ---- up. either way a winner.