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But they are there, and regulations are there, so I will continue to be scammed every year so I can do the 8-10 domestic jobs I do a year and be a good compliant citizen!
That's my problem, I'll be lucky to earn little over the CPS annual fee as I'm only interested in 2 jobs a month and they might not even be notifiable.

It's ashame LABC can't have an easy to use portal for electical works conducted by competent persons.
 
Right anyone who is interested!
My local building control has replied to my email stating that the Fee is £400 as they need to send a sparky in a CPS to sign the work off.
They have however informed me that I can complete the work and instruct a sparky in a CPS to sign the work off on my behalf (basically cutting out their fee). But let's be honest no one should be signing off other people work anyway.

Looks like I'll stick to minor works and the day job 😂.
Cheers for everyone's input.
 
The point is, if you inform them and pay the fee, you have done everything you are obligated to do.
they will send someone in and get an inspection report back.
however if you get someone in to notify and certify it, they would be providing an installation certificate and that in my opinion is wrong as they can't certify work they have not done, only inspect and report its condition and that is not the same thing.
 
The point is, if you inform them and pay the fee, you have done everything you are obligated to do.
they will send someone in and get an inspection report back.
however if you get someone in to notify and certify it, they would be providing an installation certificate and that in my opinion is wrong as they can't certify work they have not done, only inspect and report its condition and that is not the same thing.
Totally agree! I wouldn't sign off anyone's install at work, only my own work.
Realistically, adding the fee to little notifiable jobs that take a few hours on a Saturday morning would just not be viable to potential clients. It would be cheaper for them to find a sparky in a CPS to carry out the work.
 
I'm actually half tempted to try this for myself.

I lapsed my NICEIC AC last year as a) it was increasingly hard to justify the business case and b) it was damn near impossible for the specialism that I do to keep finding decent enough commercial projects simply to drag an inspector to - it's actually possible for me to go an entire year without having to write a conventional EIC!

Anyway.... very curious as to what would happen if I do a Part P notifiable job at my own place, do the EIC and post it off to my LABC with a 'there you go' attitude. If they come back asking for a fee then I'd agree to the £5 or whatever it is a time now from a scam but no more.

However, my previous experience with LABC's and notification is that they don't know their arse from their elbow, especially when it comes to what is, and isn't, required. I did a job several years ago for a builder mate in London, kitchen extension and NONE of it applied to the then down-sized part p reqs. Was also a time when I hadn't bothered with a scam for a year or so (I tend to dip in and out when I have a need to..). Copped merry hell off my mate when he had Camden borough BC breathing down his neck asking for my scam details as I wasn't on the register, thinking I was doing something dodgy. It took me weeks to educate a London building inspector that she was talking ball hooks before it got resolved.
 
@Rockingit
Totally agree with they have no clue what they need!
I went and did a job last year that was all on and working but an absolute mess and dangerous on some circuits! The customer needed a cert to get the building passed off.
The spark involved had got paid and done a runner and had clearly no intention of issuing a cert.
I told the customer the best I could do was issue a EICR for the installation and rectification of all the issues. He agreed.
Work was done cert issued.
LABC were adamant that a Part P cert was needed and an EIC.
Who has even heard of a Part P cert!
The customer's architect got involved and suddenly all was fine with an EICR.
 
Councils..... tend to only show a interest if its a "cash earner " for them .Barnet near me , must have more ex staff who worked in the building side or unemployment dept that have a few millions worth of property .... Here and abroad. 30 years ago there was almost a price list of what needed to be given to get what ever you wanted .
 
My local building control has replied to my email stating that the Fee is £400 as they need to send a sparky in a CPS to sign the work off.
You made the mistakes of a) asking the wrong question, and b) asking it at all.
If you ask them, then of course they'll gold plate their interpretation of what they think the rules should be.
Anecdotally, it seems the best approach is to simply notify and then send in an EIC with all the numbers filled in.
At my last house I was planning a CU change and put in notice. The inspector asked about certification and I just said I'd be providing an EIC with a full set of test results. He thought for a moment and just said "OK". From their PoV the main thing is having a bit of paper with someone's signature on it to take any blame.
Elsewhere (don't recall if here or DIYnot) someone had a similar conversation but BC insisted on a third party (scam member) certificate. His response was something along the lines of "I'm level 6 qualified, if you're going to have to get someone level 7 qualified if my level 6 isn't good enough for you" - and BC very quickly backed down.

With a completely different hat on, I've also had the same thing - if you ask first then they'll give you the C.Y.A. response and insist on the equivalent of scam membership etc., but if you just send the relevant documents then they'll accept them.
 

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