Plastic Straw Ban and buds

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I've always been a keen recycler, both at home and work. Charging for plastic bags, I think was a good thing. Everything seems to either be wrapped up in plastic film, or in a plastic container.

News this week, that our government is considering a ban on plastic straws and those things you clear small orifices with. One less thing.

The plastic debate seems to have been focused by the recent Blue Planet programme
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Thing I don't understand, is I recycle conscientiously, so do my neighbours. I don't see anyone driving to their local river, or going to the coast to dump their stash of plastic into the sea. So how has our properly collected waste ended up in some far off beach?

Is it because we use so much of the stuff and we export the stuff. And now China won't accept anymore, its ending up with a less scrupulous nation to deal with?

Look whats happened recently in Indonesia
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Dreadful isn't it.

A few weeks back our milkman (yes really) delivered a free bottle of an alternative fruit juice ........... needless to say we drank the juice, washed the bottle and put it out with the milk bottles ..................... they didn't take the bottle away:(

So we won't be buying that.

Governments AROUND THE WORLD have to all clamp down on whats acceptable and what isn't ................ then we have to change human behaviour ......................... so nothing is going to change any time soon.

Its a bit like all the deliveries to our homes ................... we have so much cardboard these days ................. is it all recycled after I take to the recycling centre?
 
On the Vine show this week, some woman was complaining that she won't be able to drink ornage juice without plastic straws, 'cos the juice hurts her sensitive teeth!
 
We used to put the plastic margarine tubs in the plastic recycling bin, until they whinged about it and told us we can only put plastic bottles in.
 
Midwest said:
On the Vine show this week, some woman was complaining that she won't be able to drink ornage juice without plastic straws, 'cos the juice hurts her sensitive teeth!
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They should have told her to use some 10mm copper piping instead...
 
Everyone has their coloured bins at home, they know what goes where, and are usually good.
In general public areas, it seems some people think they have a right to throw things anywhere they choose, because its the local authorities job to keep the place clean.
I know, its not everyone. It could be a very small percentage, but even that is a lot of rubbish.


The seas of plastic have been there now for decades - well before any recycling came into being. Blame your parents and grandparents.

Banning straws and cotton buds is hardly going to make an impact.
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Manufacturers also need to do more. Ban polystyrene packaging in favour of the moulded cardboard. It really is the devil's dandruff when it breaks up into little balls.

Is it Norway or Sweden that have a working recycling program? Something like 95% of waste is recycled. Copy that model internationally.
 
We have walked most of the UK coast paths and you rarely see a tide line not full of plastic waste. It is amazing some of the items you come across.
 
In the UK and I suppose worldwide is the amount of waste that is dumped in public areas by people who can't be bothered to take their rubbish home with them, I try to recycle as much as I can the cars in my family are a 2009 Clio a 2003 Subaru and a 1988 E30, all do low mileage and don't need to be replaced even if they don't meet the emissions standard.

I also burn the non recyclable waste as its good fuel for the garden waste but it would be an idea to build a home incinerator that could generate electrickery from burning this waste.
 
I also am a big supporter of getting rid of Plastics, however why should we do it? supermarkets should be fined if they supply plastic bags not charge us 5 pence. They need to supply cardboard or another material for bags which decompose quickly or can be burned without causing any problems to the air. Water bottles and general packaging should be supplied to use by the people we buy from in materials which do not harm the planet, we the public IMO should not be the ones encouraged to avoid plastics, simple answer, do not give them to us in the first place, take responsibility for the products you supply, do not punish us for the crap you provide.
 
I think it's a token gesture to try and get others on the bandwagon. According to this article: Almost all plastic in the ocean comes from just 10 rivers | DW | 30.11.2017 - http://www.dw.com/en/almost-all-plastic-in-the-ocean-comes-from-just-10-rivers/a-41581484 and other sources, most environmental plastic burden comes from sources where there is a large population with inadequate rubbish collection infrastructure. Hundreds of millions of people, maybe billions, simply chuck used plastic products into the river, or allow them to end up there, unaware that this is a bad thing. OTOH much of the microscopic material is tyre dust and paint dust - neither of which are likely to be banned soon. So the UK's plastic straws are not really a big component of anything but they provide a reference point to generate some publicity and dialogue about the wider problem.
 
Lucien Nunes said:
I think it's a token gesture to try and get others on the bandwagon. According to this article: Almost all plastic in the ocean comes from just 10 rivers | DW | 30.11.2017 - http://www.dw.com/en/almost-all-plastic-in-the-ocean-comes-from-just-10-rivers/a-41581484 and other sources, most environmental plastic burden comes from sources where there is a large population with inadequate rubbish collection infrastructure. Hundreds of millions of people, maybe billions, simply chuck used plastic products into the river, or allow them to end up there, unaware that this is a bad thing. OTOH much of the microscopic material is tyre dust and paint dust - neither of which are likely to be banned soon. So the UK's plastic straws are not really a big component of anything but they provide a reference point to generate some publicity and dialogue about the wider problem.
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That was my thoughts. Here in the UK we keep banging about recycling, so it will stops scenes like in the Blue Planet. Never watched the programme, and granted we have our own local issues, but all those picture I've seen are of far off exotic locations.
 
I wonder how much waste the EU Parliament produces per year......... there is always an ulterior motive to these types of stories.......
 
I see someone said about the cardboard packaging of deliveries.

I did the Wago freebie tester thing.

Yesterday a box about 12”x8”x6” arrived. Inside was 6 wago connectors that could have been posted in a wage packet sized envelope.

Madness I thought.
 
I see someone said about the cardboard packaging of deliveries.

I did the Wago freebie tester thing.

Yesterday a box about 12”x8”x6” arrived. Inside was 6 wago connectors that could have been posted in a wage packet sized envelope.

Madness I thought.
 
My lad ordered a small plastic funnel from Amazon? Came in a box the size of a hamper, and it had some of that air bag stuff in it.

Thing is, if he'd asked I got one in the draw, he could of had. So now we have tow plastic funnels, and a load of cardboard to recycle!
 
I used to work in a factory which made plastic packaging. After the film was extruded it was trimmed so the roll was nice and neat, and the trim would be repelletised and go straight back into the hopper.
If the operators messed up a roll for whatever reason they'd cut it off the core and shove it in a baler; the bales would then go into a recycling machine which melted it down and turned it back into pellets so it could be reused.

With this in mind I struggle to see why plastic packaging can't or isn't recycled after it's had chips, carrots, dog biscuits or compost in it.
 
SWD said:
They've never been known as a football team.......
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True, just ginger headed men with thistles stuck in their shorts running around causing chaos lol
 
Have friends who work as environmental scientists and have taken part in some of the defra consultations...
amongst things that are going to change according to the boffins who advise the officials are:
- Black plastic.... its a mix of the recycling plants not being able to identify it against the conveyor belts on teh sorting lines and sometimes its a mix of nasty plastic leftovers... so they are thinking of at some stage banning black plastics... supermarkets not happy as it makes the meat look pretty apparently and is cheap..
- yoghurt and similar pots will have to be made of plastic and not polystyrene so it can be recycled.
- polystyrene itself is on borrowed time and will at some stage be the devils work like straws..
-even bags for life will eventually go.. people will use fabric bags made from recycled fibres... paper bags are surprisingly worse environmentally than the single use plastic ones! due to energy needed to make and process. its a progressive step by step thing..
- essentially at some point in the future all food packaging will have to be 100% recyclable no exceptions... no more film wrapped grapes..
- They are looking at all takeaways and ready meals to use the plastic substitutes such as wood pulp and starch based trays and straws.. Iceland have already announced this change...
- crisps and confectionery etc ...will have to have recyclable or biodegradable wrappers and not that weird foil laminate they use..
- they are considering whether they can force all fruit and veg to be sold loose or in 100% recyclable non plastic packaging...
- the bottle deposit scheme could screw council recycling schemes as they sell what they collect into the market for reprocessing, but what they are thinking is that the councils would collect the bottles that are returned to stores and then sell them as now as they already have local collection facilities, the council keeping the money and it saves stores/drinks firms from having to collect or move them itself.
- even things like toothbrushes.. disposable razors and toiletries are in the cross hairs... take lynx those bottles cant be recycled due to being black plastic so that will change... razors can according to bic be changed to a starch based polymer without anybody realising at minimal cost..

give it ten years and we will barely give any of this any thought.
 

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