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Nice budget, allowances up to 11000, tax free savings, relief for oil sector (helps one of my clients) , fuel duty frozen. Surplus predicted in near future to start to get the overall debt back down...... As good as it gets.. Now lets make sure Labour don't get in a mess it all up again
 
i think lindisfarne created more jobs than the whole of france.:49:
 
had enough of the grinning idiot blair. can't see anybody daft enough to vote sillyband in.
 
ha. i know where he gets his figure of 20 million. it's the number of migrants he let in.
 
borrowed? stole, more like. now we know where the NHS budget went 1997 - 2007.


the views of the writer are expressed as a joke and there is no inference that mr. blair is in any way a criminal, or has in any way behaved in an unethical manner, if you forget mass immigration, iraq, fox hunting, pension theft, gold reserve selloff, armed forces badly equipped, mass unemployment, the national debt,public sector spending , creation of non-jobs, university places for thickkos, low wages,............
 
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This thread has been like a pat on the back conservative voters platform for Tony Blair knockers,so a few truths need stating


He led the party and the government under the banner of the labour party,however, Tony Blair is not and never has been a socialist in my definition

He may have been a liar on the world stage,incompetent and lives a double standard life,but he was a watered down conservative with watered down conservative policies

There has not been a socialist government in all its resplendent glory since Clement Attlee led the country with Nye Bevan pushing through the sincerity of care and help for fellow men that the socialist label should portray

You may argue Labour or Tory and agree or disagree about the niceties,remember both parties are Conservative,its just the depth of depravity of carelessness for their fellow man that divides each of them



For the record the last socialist prime minister (Attlee)was responsible for these changes to which the dog eat dog Tories had no answer and had to grudgingly accept as the best way forward


The government he led built the post-war consensus, based upon the assumption that full employment would be maintained by Keynesian policies and that a greatly enlarged system of social services would be created – aspirations that had been outlined in the wartime Beveridge Report.
Within this context, his government undertook the nationalisation of public utilities and major industries, as well as the creation of the National Health Service. After initial Conservative opposition to Keynesian fiscal policy, this settlement was broadly accepted by all parties for over three decades until Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister in1979.
 
plugsandsparks said:
Nice budget, allowances up to 11000, tax free savings, relief for oil sector (helps one of my clients) , fuel duty frozen. Surplus predicted in near future to start to get the overall debt back down...... As good as it gets.. Now lets make sure Labour don't get in a mess it all up again
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Gordon brown was the last chancellor to have a surplus,only the american banking system collapse stopped it getting bigger, the banking collapse stopped the whole world economy in it's tracks, sure labour made mistakes, so do the tories, regarding the 11000 allowance, that is a libdem policy, if the tories win the next election that will be stopped, just like the 22 broken promises from their manefesto after the 2010 election.

Although I will not vote for UKIP, it has to be said they will change British politics forever regardless of whether they win any MPs in the next election or not, the main stream parties are running scared, I read labours manefesto a day or two back and one of their main ploicies is to look at border control LOL, without Farage that would have never happened, so even though he is a numpty, he has created a stir. The2 main parties are neck and neck at the moment, Farage has said he will form a government with the tories if the tories promise a 2015 EU referendum, the SNP were on the TV yesterday saying they would side with Labour if they stopped austerity, Labour has however said they will not team up with them, I don't believe them by the way, the Libdems with their 20 MPs which they will get after the election may actually still decide who governs the country.
 
MDJ said:
Gordon brown was the last chancellor to have a surplus,only the american banking system collapse stopped it getting bigger, the banking collapse stopped the whole world economy in it's tracks, sure labour made mistakes, so do the tories, regarding the 11000 allowance, that is a libdem policy, if the tories win the next election that will be stopped, just like the 22 broken promises from their manefesto after the 2010 election.

Although I will not vote for UKIP, it has to be said they will change British politics forever regardless of whether they win any MPs in the next election or not, the main stream parties are running scared, I read labours manefesto a day or two back and one of their main ploicies is to look at border control LOL, without Farage that would have never happened, so even though he is a numpty, he has created a stir. The2 main parties are neck and neck at the moment, Farage has said he will form a government with the tories if the tories promise a 2015 EU referendum, the SNP were on the TV yesterday saying they would side with Labour if they stopped austerity, Labour has however said they will not team up with them, I don't believe them by the way, the Libdems with their 20 MPs which they will get after the election may actually still decide who governs the country.
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But he left us with a bit of a deficit AND if you look at the history books UK plc was running a deficit since 2001-2002 - LONG before the 2008 crash

What a stupid point to post!
 
I disagree clive, he had a surplus, accurate and fact, the rest of your post I cannot disagree with without further investigation, you may well be correct.
 
MDJ said:
I disagree clive, he had a surplus, accurate and fact, the rest of your post I cannot disagree with without further investigation, you may well be correct.
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Not from 2002 he didn't

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For all to see:

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http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5922/economics/uk-budget-deficit-2/
 
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Murdoch said:
But he left us with a bit of a deficit AND if you look at the history books UK plc was running a deficit since 2001-2002 - LONG before the 2008 crash

What a stupid point to post!
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2001 there was a surplus of £8.4b, which was more than all the surpluses of the 19 years of the Tories added together.

Mind you that's not saying much, in the 19 years that the Tories were in there was only 2 years of surplus, 1988 & 1989, £3.9b & £4.2b. Don't forget these years were when north sea oil really started & the revenues were at their highest, also there was a major selling off of our assets with major nationalizations.

The first 10 years of Labour up to 2007 & before the financial crash saw 4 years of surplus & 6 years of deficit.

Whats also interesting is that the Tories ran up the 2 largest deficits in this time, £50.9 & £45.9 b, Labour's largest was £42.6b
 
andyb said:
2001 there was a surplus of £8.4b, which was more than all the surpluses of the 19 years of the Tories added together.

Mind you that's not saying much, in the 19 years that the Tories were in there was only 2 years of surplus, 1988 & 1989, £3.9b & £4.2b. Don't forget these years were when north sea oil really started & the revenues were at their highest, also there was a major selling off of our assets with major nationalizations.

The first 10 years of Labour up to 2007 & before the financial crash saw 4 years of surplus & 6 years of deficit.

Whats also interesting is that the Tories ran up the 2 largest deficits in this time, £50.9 & £45.9 b, Labour's largest was £42.6b
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Did I say ANYTHING about any other Party? NO

Just making sure that MDJ's rose tinted glasses can actually see the reality of what ACTUALLY happened, rather than how memories recall things.

That said I'd liked Brown to continue in 2010 then Labour would have had to make cuts and difficult decisions...... which they've never really had to make, in my memory
 
Clive, you need to calm down, what has rose tinted glasses got to do with my comment regarding gordon brown having a surplus? he did end of, and as I posted before I cannot argue your other points which may well be correct because I have not investigated them yet, calm down, take a chill pill.
 
strange how the only srplus the kast labour government ever had coincided with the scottish pratt selling off about 400 tons of gold.
 
telectrix said:
strange how the only srplus the kast labour government ever had coincided with the scottish pratt selling off about 400 tons of gold.
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Not sure how much the sweaty sock sold, but he did sell it cheap and that is his legacy, I won't support him at all, I am just stating fact regarding a surplus, I only support Tony as you know, not gordon.
 
Murdoch said:
Did I say ANYTHING about any other Party? NO

Just making sure that MDJ's rose tinted glasses can actually see the reality of what ACTUALLY happened, rather than how memories recall things.

That said I'd liked Brown to continue in 2010 then Labour would have had to make cuts and difficult decisions...... which they've never really had to make, in my memory
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Just pointing out that if you have a debate then the whole picture needs to be looked at not just the odd year, I'm not trying to make a case for Labour although I will vote for them it will not be for their economic policies, I'm firmly in the 'their all the same' camp.

I think that a lot of the cuts implemented in the first few years of this administration were introduced by the last government under Brown in the last Labour budget.
 
This election will be difficult for me, I will never vote tory obviously, but think Milliband is a buffoon, Farage is a total --- but to his credit has changed politics in this country forever, the lib dems are finished and the greens are just a pointless vote for various reasons, very hard to know what to do, it must be labour, then again I might wake up on polling day and decide to stay home lol.
 
telectrix said:
strange how the only srplus the kast labour government ever had coincided with the scottish pratt selling off about 400 tons of gold.
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The gold was sold over several auctions over 3 years for about £3.5b the surplus for those 3 years was over £37b

MDJ said:
Not sure how much the sweaty sock sold, but he did sell it cheap and that is his legacy, I won't support him at all, I am just stating fact regarding a surplus, I only support Tony as you know, not gordon.
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The gold was sold at the market price for the time on the open market by auctions.
 
andyb said:
The gold was sold over several auctions over 3 years for about £3.5b the surplus for those 3 years was over £37b



The gold was sold at the market price for the time on the open market by auctions.
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Well maybe, I don't really know either way, just telling you what rupert murdock and his tv presenters told us all at the time.
 
If the Gold never went up after the sale, no one would have anything to harp on about.
Surprised the moaners never bought plenty for themselves ?

Brown was always spot on with his growth forecast's, when Chancellor, fact.

In real terms the welfare bill as been the same for decades, this Government as not cut it all, fact.
 
Anthony S said:
If the Gold never went up after the sale, no one would have anything to harp on about.
Surprised the moaners never bought plenty for themselves ?

Brown was always spot on with his growth forecast's, when Chancellor, fact.

In real terms the welfare bill as been the same for decades, this Government as not cut it all, fact.
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I expect the tory fat cats bought loads of it and then shipped it off to off shore accounts.
 
MDJ said:
This election will be difficult for me, I will never vote tory obviously, but think Milliband is a buffoon, Farage is a total --- but to his credit has changed politics in this country forever, the lib dems are finished and the greens are just a pointless vote for various reasons, very hard to know what to do, it must be labour, then again I might wake up on polling day and decide to stay home lol.
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This election is all to easy for me, Labour by nature I have not voted for them since 1992. Could not vote for Blair & New Labour so I voted LibDems as a sort of protest vote.(I live in a Tory stronghold)
I've learnt my lesson so will only vote Labour now, at least until they swing to the right again, probably after this election if it goes badly for them. Then I'll vote Greens.
 
Anthony S said:
If the Gold never went up after the sale, no one would have anything to harp on about.
Surprised the moaners never bought plenty for themselves ?

Brown was always spot on with his growth forecast's, when Chancellor, fact.

In real terms the welfare bill as been the same for decades, this Government as not cut it all, fact.
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Oh dear, another rose tinted glasses baffoon.
 
In my opinion, tt’s a ‘Hobson’s choice’ between Champagne Socialists, Hooray Henrys, Fib dems, Ukip and the lesbian vampire killers. I’m voting LVK ! :sifone:
 
Anthony S said:
I'm not even a Labour voter, just stating he got his Growth Forecast right.

I'm guessing your Tory ?
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No. I'm just VERY interested in all forms of Politics and misrepresentation of the facts is something they all do so I'm simply using my knowledge to try and get the facts straight.

Like yesterdays budget, the Conservatives say one thing, using one set of numbers, the Labour Party say something else using another set of numbers, and today the Liberals have said another thing, using a different set of numbers.

If they keep on spinning they will all get very dizzy

WHAT IS THE TRUTH??
 
I think Brown was the unluckiest PM ever. I also think he would have been a good PM if he had the job to start with. The "deal" between him and Blair destroyed him. He was tortured by it....It consumed him (Taken from some political memoirs I have read). The economy was going just "fine" until the crash. It was his spending just prior to taking over (An attempt at prompting feel good factor for the start of his premiership.)...that IMHO is what stuffed up what could have been a great legacy. That coupled with the fact that the "job" proved too big for him, I think it would have been easier for him 10 years previous.
He got a ton of inherited problems with regards to the voters turning on Labour as the reality of two wars was hitting home. He had floods, he had foot in mouth disease....and then just incase he weren't paying attention he copped the banking crisis.
Blair became obsessed with the world stage, where I think Brown would have contented himself with keeping the UK safe.
As said I have read some memoirs from this period and it has been said that the action taken by Brown and Darling actually saved the world banking system. Apparently they had drawn up plans to deploy troops on the streets prior to coming up with the refinancing bailout plan. They really feared that banks were not going to open their doors from the Monday onwards....with no bugger having access to ANY cash. Now as much as we all hate the bank bailout.....not having any cash would have been a bit of a pain.....
"They" buggered up a few things with the bailout....ie people should have been in the dock, lost their bonuses, lost their pensions.....but "they" bottled that as unbelievably even at the final hour bankers were holding out for a better deal...denying that there were any problems.....So they had to be sweetened as part of the deal.....Bloody outrageous. They should have threw the chancers behind bars to await trial and got on without them.
But yep I will stand up for Brown.
I await the back lash. :}
 
Diddy said:
I think Brown was the unluckiest PM ever. I also think he would have been a good PM if he had the job to start with. The "deal" between him and Blair destroyed him. He was tortured by it....It consumed him (Taken from some political memoirs I have read). The economy was going just "fine" until the crash. It was his spending just prior to taking over (An attempt at prompting feel good factor for the start of his premiership.)...that IMHO is what stuffed up what could have been a great legacy. That coupled with the fact that the "job" proved too big for him, I think it would have been easier for him 10 years previous.
He got a ton of inherited problems with regards to the voters turning on Labour as the reality of two wars was hitting home. He had floods, he had foot in mouth disease....and then just incase he weren't paying attention he copped the banking crisis.
Blair became obsessed with the world stage, where I think Brown would have contented himself with keeping the UK safe.
As said I have read some memoirs from this period and it has been said that the action taken by Brown and Darling actually saved the world banking system. Apparently they had drawn up plans to deploy troops on the streets prior to coming up with the refinancing bailout plan. They really feared that banks were not going to open their doors from the Monday onwards....with no bugger having access to ANY cash. Now as much as we all hate the bank bailout.....not having any cash would have been a bit of a pain.....
"They" buggered up a few things with the bailout....ie people should have been in the dock, lost their bonuses, lost their pensions.....but "they" bottled that as unbelievably even at the final hour bankers were holding out for a better deal...denying that there were any problems.....So they had to be sweetened as part of the deal.....Bloody outrageous. They should have threw the chancers behind bars to await trial and got on without them.
But yep I will stand up for Brown.
I await the back lash. :}
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Theres always one!
 
Some of my pro Brown stuff is "opinion" but you can't argue with the facts. I remember the run up to 2010.....All the press were screaming about Brown being an unelected leader, Every day it was either in print or on TV ect ect, Stoking up the Anti Brown feeling throughout England especially (I seem to remember the "No one voted for this Scottish One Eyed git.....") That was the narrative and it was gobbled up hook line and sinker by the masses.....much in the same way as the UKIP agenda has captured the attention of the masses.
And yet before him there was John Major who was not voted in by anyone....He also waited until the last possible moment to call an election....Brown done nothing different....But I don't remember any media shouting about the unelected grey haired git in Number 10.....
Brown made mistakes, But I stand by that he was super unlucky.....unlike teflon tony.
 
Diddy said:
Some of my pro Brown stuff is "opinion" but you can't argue with the facts. I remember the run up to 2010.....All the press were screaming about Brown being an unelected leader, Every day it was either in print or on TV ect ect, Stoking up the Anti Brown feeling throughout England especially (I seem to remember the "No one voted for this Scottish One Eyed git.....") That was the narrative and it was gobbled up hook line and sinker by the masses.....much in the same way as the UKIP agenda has captured the attention of the masses.
And yet before him there was John Major who was not voted in by anyone....He also waited until the last possible moment to call an election....Brown done nothing different....But I don't remember any media shouting about the unelected grey haired git in Number 10.....
Brown made mistakes, But I stand by that he was super unlucky.....unlike teflon tony.
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Isn't it funny how people's memory fades. In 1992 John Major and the conservatives had the highest number of votes cast by the electorate for any single party in UK history yet he only got a very slim majority.

But in 1997 New Labour got a landslide with far fewer votes and far more seats.

Go figure
 
Murdoch said:
Isn't it funny how people's memory fades. In 1992 John Major and the conservatives had the highest number of votes cast by the electorate for any single party in UK history yet he only got a very slim majority.

But in 1997 New Labour got a landslide with far fewer votes and far more seats.

Go figure
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Not the highest percentage of the vote that has been though.

It'll be to do with the constituency boundaries and people voting within each.
 
Murdoch said:
Isn't it funny how people's memory fades. In 1992 John Major and the conservatives had the highest number of votes cast by the electorate for any single party in UK history yet he only got a very slim majority.

But in 1997 New Labour got a landslide with far fewer votes and far more seats.

Go figure
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What do you want us to figure?

Labour got a landslide with a far larger percentage of the vote.
 
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