Qualified to fix?

[patsure]

I qualified as a "PAT Tester" (C&G 2377) almost 10 years ago and for the first time last week I was asked if I was qualified to FIX any of the faults I found?

It never crossed my mind that I wasn't, if I am qualified to find a fault does it follow I am qualified to correct it? I must have corrected hundreds of faulty plugs and many bits of "Dodgy" wiring in fixed appliance faceplates. I am trained in safe isolation but have not qualified as an electrician so don't touch the supply side of anything, just the load.

So am I qualified to fix what I am qualified to test?

 

[MJPD29]

I dont see why not. If you are competent then fix away.

 

[Baddegg]

Can’t see why not long as you have some insurance to cover you behind...

 

[robd]

Most of the pat testing faults I have found are either faulty plug wiring by an ameteur or faulty and knackered appliance which is beyond repair

 

[Dustydazzler]

If it requires a qualification to swap a 13a plug top then we are pretty much screwed...

 

[Baddegg]

If it requires a qualification to swap a 13a plug top then we are pretty much screwed...

True story....I had a carpet fitter ring me the other day for a price to change the plug on his hoover!...I thought it was a wind up and told him if he brings it to me I’ll do it....he did! And I changed it for him!

 

[Andy78]

If it requires a qualification to swap a 13a plug top then we are pretty much screwed...

I couldn't interest you in a 3 day course to learn how to change a socket front then ? Only £435 +vat.

NICEIC Accessory Replacement Workshop

Designed to give individuals the skills and understanding required to safely isolate an electrical system.

www.niceic.com

 

[GBDamo]

True story....I had a carpet fitter ring me the other day for a price to change the plug on his hoover!...I thought it was a wind up and told him if he brings it to me I’ll do it....he did! And I changed it for him!

Were heading for Idiocracy

 

[Pete999]

True story....I had a carpet fitter ring me the other day for a price to change the plug on his hoover!...I thought it was a wind up and told him if he brings it to me I’ll do it....he did! And I changed it for him!

Charged him I hope over the odds as well?????
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I couldn't interest you in a 3 day course to learn how to change a socket front then ? Only £435 +vat.

NICEIC Accessory Replacement Workshop

Designed to give individuals the skills and understanding required to safely isolate an electrical system.

www.niceic.com

Another SCAM dreamed up by NICEIC I see

 

[Baddegg]

Charged him I hope over the odds as well?????
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Another SCAM dreamed up by NICEIC I see

Couldn’t do it @Pete999 I’d said I’ll do it for nothing if he brings it to me thinking it’s a wind up.....I was speechless that he couldn’t do it!

 

[Pete999]

Charged him I hope over the odds as well?????
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Another SCAM dreamed up by NICEIC I see

Wonder how many " another course" to add to my CV, will pay for this load of nonsense £435:00 Jeez talk about money for old rope NICEIC have this sewn up well and truly, NICEIC any jobs going, in the Northampton are ? reckon I could manage to teach that course, will C&G be awarding a cert? of course they will, anything to get in on the act?? and to make matters worse the general public will demand to see the qualification as will the likes of Trusted Trader, Rated people and the other SCAMS. A blatant excuse to print money.

 

[Moley]

We have to do online courses in everything. Latest that they want us to do is a 'mental health awareness' course

 

[Baddegg]

We have to do online courses in everything. Latest that they want us to do is a 'mental health awareness' course

That’s me f@&ked then!

 

[Pete999]

We have to do online courses in everything. Latest that they want us to do is a 'mental health awareness' course

Nowt wrong with that Moley, but a course to change a socket? stupidity. The NICEIC will be setting up courses to change plug tops next, don't laugh you never know these days.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Nowt wrong with that Moley, but a course to change a socket? stupidity. The NICEIC will be setting up courses to change plug tops next, don't laugh you never know these days.

Where do I sign up ?

 

[Baddegg]

Where do I sign up ?

I’m already running em apparently ?

 

[Lucien Nunes]

Anyone qualified to test ought to be able to do conventional electrical repairs, but one isn't automatically qualified to undertake all types of repair to PAT failures. For example, not all trained testers would be competent to repair:

• Items using high voltages or ionising radiation, such as X-Ray machines.
• Life support and other medical equipment.
• Certain types of safety interlocks.

Etc.

IMHO, and I am not implicatimg the OP here at all, many so-called testers wouldn't be able to fix a table lamp.

In some countries, only electricians are supposed to fit plugs. We've all seen the scary stuff some numpties manage to produce, plugs on both ends of a lead, g/y cable in the line terminal etc, so there's a bit of logic in it.

 

[James]

I think I could teach a course like that.
£200 per head and I promise you will be done within an hour.
Course will be run at my local pub.
Included in the price is a pint and a bag of ? nuts.

 

[littlespark]

Changing a plug or socket face is the basic fundamentals of our trade.
Maybe some people need training in stripping cable, tightening the screws and getting the colours in the right place.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Changing a plug or socket face is the basic fundamentals of our trade.
Maybe some people need training in stripping cable, tightening the screws and getting the colours in the right place.

A course to learn how to strip a cable is surely aimed at DIYers. And not aimed at electricians...
If you can’t strip a bit of flex then you shouldn’t be undertaking electrical work

 

[telectrix]

Nowt wrong with that Moley, but a course to change a socket? stupidity. The NICEIC will be setting up courses to change plug tops next, don't laugh you never know these days.

having just disconnected and isolated a 2 gang light switch wired in alarm cable, anything can be done by someof these muppets. got to go back and cut holes to get to a junction box above ceiling (Park Home).

 

[dmxtothemax]

If it requires a qualification to swap a 13a plug top then we are pretty much screwed...

You sure do in Australia, anything that plugs into the mains, you need a minimum restricted electrical licence, you need to be registerd, and carry 2M insurrance.

 

[patsure]

Thanks for the replies, even those that strayed off topic.

I am confident in my skill set and know where my limits are but the first reply;

I dont see why not. If you are competent then fix away.

poses the question: Who decides if I you are competent? (now there's a can of worms)

 

[Baddegg]

Thanks for the replies, even those that strayed off topic.

I am confident in my skill set and know where my limits are but the first reply;
poses the question: Who decides if I you are competent? (now there's a can of worms)

The judge at ya trial! ?

 

[MJPD29]

Thanks for the replies, even those that strayed off topic.

I am confident in my skill set and know where my limits are but the first reply;
poses the question: Who decides if I you are competent? (now there's a can of worms)

I'm going to say you do. If you've been pat testing and have a good knowledge of the items then there's nothing stopping you fixing them. I presume we are talking about changing plugs and possibly some leads here

 

[Risteard]

You sure do in Australia, anything that plugs into the mains, you need a minimum restricted electrical licence, you need to be registerd, and carry 2M insurrance.

RE: wiring plugs I believe that varies state by state.

 

[patsure]

Matthewd29; That and the faceplates where appliances are connected to the supply rather than by a plug (fixed appliances). In the past I have corrected things like the line and neutral crossed on the load side. I occasionally come across that fault on the supply side or find an earth thats bare, so far I have resisted the urge to correct those as they're on the supply side, choosing to report it instead. It bothers me that I am leaving something potentially hazardous that I could confidently correct. Guess that's all part of knowing and keeping to my remit.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Correct me if I’m wrong but anyone can fix or repair an obvious fault on an installation.
Competency is all that is required

 

[James]

If you are competent to test it,
Analyse the results of the test,
If the repair is obvious to you then fix it and re test.

The important thing is the re testing to verify that it is safe for continued use.

 

[ipf]

RE: wiring plugDedve that varies state by state.

RE: wiring plugs I believe that varies state by state.

RE wiring 'em depends what state they're in though, Risty…….